Cavitation/Ventilation probs

bbjunkie

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Cavitation/Ventilation/Blow out depending where in the world you are reading this from....

Having a major problem on our tender, which we also use for fun on the rivers. Until yesterday we had been using a Johnson 4hp seahorse, which while usable, was a little sluggish and didn't have the power to get us on the plane. Took the plunge on Friday and bought a new Honda BF10she which I hasten to add, is very impressive in many aspects (will write another thread on that soon)

Anyway, Got out yesterday for the first with the new engine. After a couple of hours breaking it in, we decided to see how it would perform at speed.. Boy was I disappointed! Not because of the engine, but because of very bad cavitation problems. Boat is fine to around 8mph, sometimes even 10mph, but as soon as we hit this speed, the engine starts to race and propeller seems to loose grip, then speed drops back to 6-8mph and throttle has to be closed to get the grip back.

To me, when I look over the transom it looks like the prop is "digging a hole" in the water at the back of the boat. (Will try to get pics today)

When sitting stationary the cavitation plate is approx 2" below the water line, however once on the plane it is actually slightly above the water line. It does seem to be doing it's job to a degree, as there is water being thrown up, which it is deflecting back towards the prop.

I have read quite a lot of postings on various forums when I returned home last night, however none really are asking this exact question.

Boat: Wetline 310AR (3.1m with Air Floor)
Weight distribution: One person sat between the seat and bow, another at the tiller (slightly behind seat, sat on tube)
Prop: 9-1/4x9p (standard) 4 blade
Trim: Tried all settings, mid point seems to be best but still nowhere near perfect

Would propping up (or down) help? Honda make props varying from 9-1/4x7 up to 9-1/4x11 in 1" increments for this engine.

Doing the math, I would say it should be capable of more like 18mph?

Any suggestions welcomed

Pete
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: Cavitation/Ventilation probs

Well: Cavitation, ventilation, and blow-out are three separate things.

Ventilation is the introduction of air into the propeller stream and will lead to loss of thrust. While it is not cavitation, it can lead to or contribute to cavitation.

Cavitation occurs when pressure differential on the prop blades causes water to "boil" at normal temperatures of the lake. The collapsing bubbles generate tremendous pressure and damage the propeller metal. This is a very general description so please don't take me to task for being inaccurate.

Blow-out is the description of a high speed effect caused by the "shock wave" of the gearcase exceeding the diameter of the propeller. It usually seems to happen at speeds over 60 MPH

IT seems to me that you are experiencing Ventilation because the anti-ventilation plate is too high. You need to try lowering the engine at least an inch, maybe more.
 

bbjunkie

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Re: Cavitation/Ventilation probs

I perhaps didn't explain properly, the anti-cavitation plate is above the water line when on the plane due to the hole made by the engine, it is below the transom, so below the overall water line.

make sense?

I need pics to show this properly I guess.

I don't think the anti-cavitation plate can be too high, the boat is designed for a short shaft engine, and that's what I have. The engine mounting plate is tight down to the transom.

Pete
 

steelespike

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Re: Cavitation/Ventilation probs

From reading here some inflatables are prone to ventilate I feel because
the bottom line at the transom is less defined than a typical boat and the inflatable hull can create more turbulance.You might look to see if the motor
has vertical adjustment holes.Not likely on that little motor.You might check out the Turning Point Rascal prop.It should give better overall performance
and resist ventilation.It delivers close to stainless performance at Aluminum prices.
 

bbjunkie

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Re: Cavitation/Ventilation probs

Would going to an 11 inch pitch make much difference?

Local Honda dealer seems to think it will, but then again he would.. if he can sell another prop.

Pete
 

steelespike

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Re: Cavitation/Ventilation probs

Is the boat rated for a 10?Is it inflated to max pressure?
Changing pitch without WOT (wide open throttle)rpm specs isn't recomended.A pitch change isn't likely to solve the problem.
The 4 blade should help. A 2" pitch change on a little motor is huge.
Honda 10 application here are 1" increments with 8 lowest and 11 highest.
To me the little inflatable is light but does not get up well with a load so an 11 would probably not work well.
Read the prop help guide near the bottom of the prop selection page.
Not reccomending you cut the transom but the last inflatable with venting problems he cut about an inch off the transom,worked perfectly.
No need to cut whole transom just where the motor rests.I would cut a little at a time.I would try all else before contimplating cutting.
 

bbjunkie

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Re: Cavitation/Ventilation probs

Inflated by another 0.2bar and up she went!

making 17mph now with no problems :D

Pete
 
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