cheap boats and the challenges!

Rob the weekend warrior

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okay, I had boats growing up, and I am pretty handy with a set of wrenches so when I decided to get back into boating, I figured that my starter boat could be a fixer-upper, and that was okay. 2 1/2 years ago I bought a 1983 Galaxy 205 for 600 bucks from boat angel on EBAY. Turned out that the boat was the widows after the husband passed and he, knowing that he was not handy had it winterized/summerized every year, changed EVERYTHING at the recommended intervals and there was all the documentation that came with it. (the couple had gone salmon fishing every weekend up to the year that he died, and they would be out on lake Michigan all night, in the dark-the boat not only came with everything that is required by the law, it also came with everything you need to be on a big pond-a post in and of itself. A boat that is well maintained, although being an old, brown well used boat with thousands of hours of use that is mechanically maintained meticulously is still a usable piece. My family named it "the polished turd" and we got a LOT of good, trouble-free use out of it. It came with a full tank of gas and started the day I bought it.
SO, armed with ignorance based upon the prior good experience, I sold the turd for 1200 and bought a 1989 bayliner capri 2150-WHAT A BOAT!!! So, i have learned a few lessons:
#1 if a boat has a scum ring on the INSIDE of the hull, that is BAD-it means that it was either sunk or that they didnt pull the plug out and it sat for an entire season filling with putrid water-after I called the prior owner on it, he confessed, letting me know that I did buy it as-is.
#2 if after getting the boat running , you notice that you are taking on more water than you should, and the boat you bought was owned by a non-maintainer, check to see that you still have the sides of the engine on it.
#3 see #2 if your boat was not winterized, the sides of the engine will crack and leak water-JB weld WILL hold the water in, for at least 8 outings of 4+ hours each and counting.
#4 when the boat fills with water and submerges the engine, and IF you are able to overcome the mechanical part of the issue, electrical issues are going to follow.
I have changed the starter, alternator, ignition (coil, distributor, wires, plugs, everything), lower shift cable (OMC) and am now trying to get the ESA to work.
#6 if you buy a boat and it has a scum line around the inside that has submerged the motor, it will somehow fill the gas tank with water completely and you will PLAY HELL getting it out.

Bottom line, even if you are handy, although good deals are out there you need to bring someone to inspect the boat with you that knows what it is to own a boat or you will learn what it is to buy a boat one piece at a time.

I sold the galaxy with all the things that a smart person will have b/c I did not know that you really need all that extra crap until you have a boat that makes you NEED it.
 

TilliamWe

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Re: cheap boats and the challenges!

If you had boats growing up, you should have known to stay away from abused Bayliners! ;)
 

bruceb58

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I had an 87 Bayliner Capri 2150 that I bought when it was only 6 mos old and took meticulous care of it and it still showed the effects of shoddy workmanship and poor materials during the years I owned it.

Abused or non abused...stay away from mid 80s Bayliners.
 

TilliamWe

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Abused or non abused...stay away from mid 80s Bayliners.

I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt with my comment. But yours is probably the most accurate statement! :)
 

Scott Danforth

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oooh another '89 Bayliner Capri thread.

seriously, if you are having this much problems, cut your losses and get a different boat. life is too short for dealing with cheap boats
 

Home Cookin'

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Re: cheap boats and the challenges!

sometimes it's better to stick with what you have. When you sell a used boat and buy a used boat, you are simply trading to a new set of problems. Often more. So unless your old boat is simply not usable, or you have lost your confidence in it, keep it.

Also it's better to buy the next boat and then sell the old one. In your case, you'd still have a great boat and you could dump the wreck you bought instead.
 

southkogs

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I'm kinda' a "bottom feeder" boat buyer. Mainly because I don't have a lot of money to spend on 'em, I keep to the shallow end of the pool. You really have to learn to do a few things - examine very carefully, and plan cost over time. The current "tub" has been running for 3 years with only about $3,500 total expended (registration, gas and an extra outdrive inclusive) - that's about $1,200 a year for some family entertainment.

Sorry you're having such a rough fight with the new one.
 

Rob the weekend warrior

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Re: cheap boats and the challenges!

Yeah, im into my turd for a grand total of about $2100-all in and about 45 hours of my time. It is interesting the perspectives that are here. I have been out on the water for 3 good trips and am seeing light at the end of the tunnel. Last weekend I beached next to 2 very nice boats, a chapperell and a rinker. Turns out that the two owners were brothers and after inspecting them both I assumed that they were made by the same manufacturer-the assembly styles are the same, neither was remarkable-but the owners both felt that the chap was a MUCH better boat. I didnt get that, neither is a chris craft-workmanship is there on a Chris-the screws all are facing the same direction, parts that you dont see are finished-turn a cushion over on a chris and they have taken the time to cover the staples, but both the chap and rinker had unfinished parts where the casual observer wouldnt look-just like my bayliner-albeit my bayliner is two decades the senior. I think that the cobra drive I have is a bit of a rube goldberg device but other than that and the lack of maintenance or even regard the bayliner seems fine for its purposes. My last boat, the galaxy was a piece of crap chop gun boat but it was maintained well and performed flawlessly-but for the fact it was dog crap brown. From where I sit, boats are merely a fiberglass shell into which the "manufacturer" drops components into. I guess my question is what exactly separates good boats from cheap boats? A lot of people have a bad taste with the bayliners-could it be because most first time boat owners buy bayliners before they learn how to maintain a boat, and avoid water hazards? I went through 8 props my first season and 5 the second and only one with my bayliner-but the props are not the fault of the boat.
 

jigngrub

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I have been out on the water for 3 good trips and am seeing light at the end of the tunnel.

I'd say you only think this because you have only fixed problems as they arise, and haven't really gone looking for other problems that might be underlying.

A fiberglass boat that age that has been exposed to that much water internally will be giving you more problems in the future without a doubt. Your stringers and transom are rotting right now if they aren't already rotten, and your floatation foam is waterlogged... be careful, if you breach the hull on that boat she'll probably go to the bottom.

Take a visit to the restoration forum and have a look around at some of the boats in there, it may open your eyes.
 

64osby

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My advise would be to start looking for another boat. IMO(yes I am biased) a Tinny would be a good match based upon your apparent skill set. You are willing and able. A Tinny can be rehabbed and you end up with the boat you want that won't rot for another 30 years. Cut your loses and keep the Bayliner for a donor boat.
 

southkogs

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I guess my question is what exactly separates good boats from cheap boats?
Frankly, it's the owner. Obviously there are well made boats that are probably premium products at the dealer (Whaler, Chris Craft, MasterCraft, etc.), but on the whole a well cared for boat is a good boat. Brand isn't quite so important if the owner doesn't take care of it.

A lot of people have a bad taste with the bayliners-could it be because most first time boat owners buy bayliners before they learn how to maintain a boat, and avoid water hazards?
Bayliner had some problems several years back. They're stuck fighting their way out of that stigma. Honestly, I'll look at a Bayliner with no real bias ... a 15 year old bass boat here in TN though? Nah. Most of 'em have been overworked and under-loved. It's all about how well they were taken care of.
 
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