cheap PC's

Homerr

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Well, I'm not going to defend or deny Compaq's cause I've owned them in the past and haven't had any major problems with them.<br /><br />I finally got smart and started building my own now!<br /><br />The problem with most 'store bought' PC's is their equipment is proprietary, meaning that you can't change very many components out with their cases and mainboards etc...unless you use 'their' stuff.<br /><br />With a home-built system, you can put anything in you want. The sky's the limit.<br /><br />H.
 

SpinnerBait_Nut

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Homerr, build me one.<br />I'll use my keyboard, printer, scanner etc.
 

lakeman1999

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Sorry, I am on a compaq now, and never again. I have hated this **** thing every since I received it.
 

foxjohnc03

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Compaq, what a joke. Their customer service and tech support departments are nonexistant. I have been building my own systems since the mid 90s and will never go back to pre-built. Compaqs are basically prettied up crap. They look nice and cool but so did bayliners. :D If I wanted to waste a grand or two I would just go gambling.
 

Homerr

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Spinner...<br /><br />As I always ask my friends who want one built:<br /><br />What is your budget?<br />What do you want it to do?<br /><br />I've been building some pretty mean gaming machines from $500 to $700 (no keyboard,mouse, etc...)<br />Most of the time I get good deals on EBay for the main components. It just depends on what the person wants.<br /><br />I try to use quality components such as Asus motherboards, AMD cpu, Crucial ram, and top-end video cards. I will not put cheap junk in my systems!<br />You want to put the most money on your video card and your CPU. That's where it counts. Everything else is secondary.<br />Remember: Your computer only runs as fast as its slowest component.<br /><br />I'm an online gamer and CAD software user myself, so I need the extra power.<br /><br />The last system I built for a friend ended up at $500, but that was being patient for 2 months on EBay for parts to come around. <br />If I was to buy all new stuff, it would have been around $700+ (at that time)<br />It ended up being a 1.4 gig AMD T-Bird, Asus A7V-266, Leadtek Geforce3 64 meg TI-200 video, 256 ram, 500 watt power, and a CD burner.<br /><br />I also use a new Chen Ming workstation cases. These are very nice cases, and will last a lifetime. And at approx $55 to your door, who can argue?<br /><br />Before some of you start to argue...Yes, you can buy a complete pre-made system from the 'other guys' cheaper, but I've seen too many fail, and you simply cannot upgrade easily. <br /><br />I say screw those guys and make your own. The choices for parts are endless.<br />The ability to upgrade is effortless.<br /><br />If you want to build your own, I can help you through. (It's a lot easier than you think)<br /><br />Hardware is easy...Getting the software to talk to everything is the hard part!<br /><br />(Get XP Pro...It goes in right the first time) :D <br /><br />H.
 

Ralph 123

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CPU speed is only important for CAD and gaming. Trust me I have a lot of experience. <br /><br />The memory, HDD and graphics card speeds are much more impoprtant since they are the bottlenecks in any system. Even today, the fastest memory bus is just 533Mhz - 75% slower than the average 2Ghz processor. So what do you think your processor is usually doing while it asking for data out of your DRAM or HDD? That's right, waiting...in machine code NOP (No Operation), NOP, NOP...<br /><br />Still don't believe me? Pop open the windows task monitor and watch what's happening. look at your CPU Usage .... 5% utilization is not uncommon.<br /><br />As for AMD - well you're getting a knock off plain and simple. AMD is a good company, have been playing with Intel knockoffs since the days of the 386. But it is till a knockoff. If I have a problem I don't want to wonder if it's the processor. I wouldn't buy and AMD - not worth it.<br /><br />As for parts on eBay. I love eBay and I am a Powerseller myself. I would NEVER buy any cicuit board or memory unless IT IS IN A 100% selaed anti-static package. Why? if you tough a cicuit board without a wrist strap you can damage the board and the failure may not show up for weeks or moths later, or worse, cause an inermitent failure that is next to impossible to debug.<br /><br />As for upgradeability. First, upgrading a Dell is no harder or propritary than a home built. They are the market for the components you are buying. Manufacturers of mainstream compoenents make them for Dell and then you, not the other way around. Second, upgrading today is unnecessary. That is yesterday's game. Today, you buy a system with enough memory, HDD space and fast graphics card right off the bat. That used to be diffiult to do becuase components were so expensive and changing so quickly - the SW was way ahead of the HW - that's no longer really the case with the possible exception of hardcore gaming.<br /><br />Next, you get 100% tested interoperability - no messing around. The thing works right out of the box and has been tested. And you know the drivers are going to be upgraded becuase Dell has no choice - as soon as a problem is spotted they have to adress it becuase they sold a million PCs like that or with that component. Not true in a home built.<br /><br />Lastly, anything happpens to anything in the 1st year (or you can even go longer) you get it fixed at home for free.<br /><br />How does all of these added features cost? Amost nothing esp if you are willing to keep your old monitor and keyboard, etc.<br /><br />JMHO based on 23 years in the industry
 

SpinnerBait_Nut

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One more question.<br /><br />If I was to buy a high end Dell, could I use my printer, scanner etc. if I had the cd's for them?
 

mellowyellow

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as long as you have the installation cd, u r fine.<br />can also download the drivers from the web. or<br />may already be in the windows drivers if it's<br />a mainstream mfg. like hp etc.<br />good luck,<br />M.Y.
 

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My 2 cents:<br /><br />You can build your own cheaper than a Dell - even if you do your homework and get parts that interact 100%. I've done it at work to build machines for heavy statistics and tabulations where the pre-made systems had too much focus on 'multimedia', 'burners', 'video' and more - useles for this extact use.<br /><br />BUT... the comforts mentioned (next business on-site warranty, for one), the support (at Dell's you key in the machine ID and they offer you all the updated drivers for YOUR specific machine in one click + much more) are hard to ignore. A fast check on Dell's site reveals an offer at 499.00 for a Pentium 4 2.2Ghz, incl. XP, software, 17" monitor and more. $150 off, it is.<br /><br />TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) is known to be very low on Dells. Even though this is more interesting in business environments, it sure is a sign to be taken by private users as well.<br /><br />IMHO the main difference here is if you are a dedicated pc user or a dedeicated pc end-user.<br /><br />Some of the big ones tried to bend the industry standards to force users to be 'loyal' and only buy their own parts. Commodore, Compaq and several others did it and now they are history!<br /><br />Re. Dell and accessories/peripherals: If you have the drivers for your equipment and it matches your operating system, there are NO worries.<br /><br />Hopefully the Compaq name (and Pressario in particular) will gain from the HP merger. They need it.
 

mellowyellow

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100% agree with the good advice given SBN.<br />I will say the new Compaq's are much better than<br />they used to be. both are good choices IMO.<br />ive built a couple pc's for my kids from cheap<br />$50 boxes and it can be a real pain on the<br />software side. putting the hardware together is<br />kindergarden stuff. take UU's advice and go to<br />the mfgs. websites for deals. especially the<br />factory refurb. units. as ralph says, u most likely<br />will NEVER need 2GHZ cpu, so a deal on a 1.4ghz<br />box will work just great for normal PC use.<br />high tech gaming and intense graphics applications<br />are a bit different.<br />factory refurb normally comes with a 1yr ON-SITE<br />warranty. for a few extra bucks you can extend it<br />to 3yrs.
 

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Build your own machine... only way to go.<br /><br />I used to be big in the LAN party scene here in st. louis.... being on the network.. computers get names.... (and seem to have their own personalities)<br /><br />My computer is "Darwin" ... it has been evolving since the first computer I built in '94. Always upgrading, one parts from the old always part of the new.... Started out as a P120... when cpu prices came down, just poped in a p200cpu... kept going from there.<br /><br />Now it's an AMD 1.2 upgraded over a year ago, still runs everything I need it to do. (don't do any gaming anymore) Put in a raid motherboard so I can have 4 hard drives and 2 cdrom drives, all IDE to keep price down instead of going to scsi.<br /><br />All depends what you want to do.<br /><br />I was going to get into video editing, so I slapped a gig of ram into it.... realized a 1.2 isn't even strong enough to do that well.. so sold off 512 of the ram.<br /><br />Note... I have a stick of 256 DDR 2100 if anyone needs it .. (homer... if you are going to build SBN a machine... if your looking for parts, I may be able to contribute and let you bypass ebay)<br />ndemge@primary.net
 

Ralph 123

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SBN,<br /><br />You are in front of your computer about as much as I am. Do yourself a favor, get your self a good machine, a really good keyboard and a flat panel display (17" or greater) flat panels are much better on the eyes - no eye strain like you get from CRTs and they take up a lot less space and produce almost no heat and use little power. I can't over emphasis the difference it has made in my life. No more eye strain! <br /><br />If you can afford it, buy it. After you receive it, shout out for me and I'll give you an address where you can send me flowers :D
 

Homerr

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Well, like Ford vs. Chevy I guess...!<br /><br />I'm no computer guru, but I can tell you what I've done and used.<br /><br />Yes, you have to be real careful what you buy on EBay used.<br />I've purchased 8 used motherboards and a few video cards and hard drives off EBay and they all work great. Not one problem.<br /><br />Ram is generally the same price on EBay as it is new, so I buy new.<br />Same goes for Hard Drives. I usually get them new from Circuit City when they come on sale locally. With their rebate, you can get a huge hard drive cheaper than the Internet can offer.<br /><br />I don't know the history behind AMD. All I know is they have worked awesome for me. I have had NO issues or failures. Stuff them in and go.<br />You can over clock the heck out of them and they still keep chugging away.<br /><br />I do like the overheat protection the Intel uses however. Definitely more superior than the AMD.<br />I've never been an Intel fan. Don't ask why..I'm just not.<br /><br />As far as Dell? I still wouldn't own one. I wouldn't own any store bought pc ever again.<br />I just like getting my hands dirty I guess. It's nice to know exactly what you have inside. Kinda like rebuilding your own engine or flooring on your boat.<br /><br />Besides..does anyone but me really hate that idiot on TV trying to sell the Dell systems?<br />"Dude you're getting a Dell" ?<br /><br />DIE DIE ! DIE !<br /><br />LOL!<br /><br />I've owned Compaq's (no major problems..can't upgrade easily, or at all)<br /><br />I have a friend with a GateWay.. Just after warrantee ran out (1 year), they had to replace just about everything. One thing after another failed, even the printer Gateway sent!<br />The only thing they have left now is the hard drive. They completely rebuilt it from scratch and got rid of anything Gateway. It runs great now.<br /><br />We have a few Dell's at work. I haven't heard of any major issues. Our system in the shop chewed it's hard drive to pieces however... but I don't think it was a 'Dell' hard drive. I think it was a cheapo Maxtor.<br /><br />I use Western Digital Caviar's myself. They have been giving me excellent service.<br /><br />I'd love to get a flat screen, but they are still way to expensive for me.<br />And have the flat screens come up in the screen resolution? Last I heard the resolution on them wasn't all that great compared to the standard monitor.<br /><br />H.
 

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SBN,<br />if you wanna play with this yourself, I'll GIVE<br />you a Compaq Celeron 333mhz for free. no hard<br />drive, graphics, mem. etc.<br />then all us propeller heads can help you build it.<br />might be kinda fun :cool: <br />e-mail me buddy.
 

Homerr

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LOL!<br /><br />We can start a 'Puter for Spinner' campaign!<br /><br />Anyone have a 'Building PC's for Dummies' book laying around?<br /><br /> :D <br /><br />H.
 
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