Chroming fiberglass, advise please...

Truefire

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Hey guys, could any of you guys by chance help me out with the arena of chroming.

  • What exactly does it mean to have fiberglass that has been treated through the process of chroming?
  • What is chroming chemically speaking in regards to the main active ingredients?
  • Is most of your woven roving, mats and cloths for boat restoration been treated with this process of chroming, and if so does the fiberglass manufacturer spec sheet state same or is it a process that all fiberglass for boats goes through?

I understand that in the laying of new fiberglass for boats that it needs to be chromed for whatever reason.

Thanks,
Chris
 

danond

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Re: Chroming fiberglass, advise please...

Who told you that?

New fiberglass in boats just needs to be soaked in polyester or epoxy resin, all air bubbles eliminated and the proper type of fiberglass needs to be used.

Chroming is for car bumpers and shiny parts.
 

Truefire

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Re: Chroming fiberglass, advise please...

Apparently you have misunderstood me or my question, i know what it sounds like but it obviously doesn't mean the same thing as chrome as in the chroming of a metallic bumper. I don't know exactly what it means but it applies to fiberglass mats, cloths and such that are to be used in hull work during manufacturing and/or during a boat hull restore such as internally speaking.

That is why I was inquiring because it does sound like something that is performed on metallic surfaces, not sure why it is called chroming. the only thing that i can think is that it is a chemical process that is named this for whatever reason...?????

chris
 

danond

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Re: Chroming fiberglass, advise please...

I've been on these forums for quite a while and I've never heard the term applied to fiberglass. I've watched countless videos from manufacturers of fiberglass products, and read a few books. It's never been used that way, or in relation to fiberglass, in any of these materials or experiences. If you google fiberglass chroming, only automotive/shiny parts comes up - nothing related to boat manufacturing.

I'd say you can safely ignore it! I'm sure more will chime in.
 

Truefire

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Re: Chroming fiberglass, advise please...

I've been on these forums for quite a while and I've never heard the term applied to fiberglass. I've watched countless videos from manufacturers of fiberglass products, and read a few books. It's never been used that way, or in relation to fiberglass, in any of these materials or experiences. If you google fiberglass chroming, only automotive/shiny parts comes up - nothing related to boat manufacturing.

I'd say you can safely ignore it! I'm sure more will chime in.

THanks buddy, i may have misunderstood exactly what was being said in the book that i was recently reading by a professional boat rebuilder. The more i think about it now, i must have simply misunderstood what was being said... hmmmm... thanks for your advise there my friend,

Chris
 

danond

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Re: Chroming fiberglass, advise please...

You're welcome.

Fixing boats is hard enough! Chroming your boat...that just sounds like punishment. ;)
 

wca_tim

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Re: Chroming fiberglass, advise please...

there are actually new chroming methods that will work on fiberglass and about anuthing else for that matter. there are also some very cool new pigments and paints that create all matter of chromae and metallized surfaces... I know it's not what you're asking about, but chrome and other mettalized surface finishes are not just for metal anymore...
 

danond

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A chrome boat. That would be cool. And blinding.
 

wca_tim

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If I hand't been able to recover the black / silver metal flake on my checkmate, i was seriously considering shooting something similar on the hull... I was thinking either gun metal black pearl or one of the very cool looking black chrome pigments (very cool, but very expensive also...).
 

J. Mark

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Re: Chroming fiberglass, advise please...

I know what you are talking about.

"Volan Finish is also known as Chrome Finish due to presence of chromium applied to glass fibers. The Volan solution finish is applied unto fiberglass fabric during the manufacturing process to give good bonding to epoxy, vinyl ester and polyester resins. If used with clear resins, volan cloth will appear to have a slight greenish tint; Volan laminates tend to dent rather than crack making it an ideal fabric for high impact applications."


http://cgi.ebay.com/FIBERGLASS-CLOT...87615826QQihZ012QQcategoryZ1267QQcmdZViewItem

As for what we do on boats on a day to day restore, I would suggest not worrying about that information. If you were building a race boat or something that would endure abnormal forces this might become a consideration-but for normal boats (is there anything normal for boaters?)
it is not something I would worry about.
 

Yacht Dr.

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Re: Chroming fiberglass, advise please...

Unless your author of said book was talking about top coats with Dupont Chroma coat. ? That is just a paint.

??? just thinking..

YD.
 

Truefire

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Re: Chroming fiberglass, advise please...

I know what you are talking about.

"Volan Finish is also known as Chrome Finish due to presence of chromium applied to glass fibers. The Volan solution finish is applied unto fiberglass fabric during the manufacturing process to give good bonding to epoxy, vinyl ester and polyester resins. If used with clear resins, volan cloth will appear to have a slight greenish tint; Volan laminates tend to dent rather than crack making it an ideal fabric for high impact applications."


http://cgi.ebay.com/FIBERGLASS-CLOT...87615826QQihZ012QQcategoryZ1267QQcmdZViewItem

As for what we do on boats on a day to day restore, I would suggest not worrying about that information. If you were building a race boat or something that would endure abnormal forces this might become a consideration-but for normal boats (is there anything normal for boaters?)
it is not something I would worry about.

Evidently this must have been what the author of the boat rebuilding book was making reference to when speaking of such. I understood that when i asked such a question such as this that i would more than likely get some jocular responses. I did indeed.

But obviously in ref to chroming it has to do with the chemical process during the manufacturing process to make a mat, roven woven for a select layering job. I appreciate your highly sought after answer to my question it is the "presence of chromium" that is added to select mats and such for possibly better bonding or what not.

I do appreciate very much so your educated response, thanks for i was simply trying to get to the bottom of this and understand what the author was entailing. Thanks so much my man for i believe you have indeed brought enlightenment to the post and i need not worry about it according to you and many others.

Now i can move forward. Interesting.

Thanks again guys, Chris
 

erikgreen

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Re: Chroming fiberglass, advise please...

I know what you are talking about.

"Volan Finish is also known as Chrome Finish due to presence of chromium applied to glass fibers. The Volan solution finish is applied unto fiberglass fabric during the manufacturing process to give good bonding to epoxy, vinyl ester and polyester resins. If used with clear resins, volan cloth will appear to have a slight greenish tint; Volan laminates tend to dent rather than crack making it an ideal fabric for high impact applications."

Actually, this is a quite common coating for fibers. I have some 8 oz general use cloth with volan, for example. Almost all the fiberglass we use (we being the denizens of this board) has some type of coating applied to permit epoxy to wet it out... otherwise it would wet out like some types of glass in water do, with a silver bubble of air forming around the glass to keep it from getting resin on it. Not so good for fiberglass.

I believe two of the more common fiber coatings are volan and silane, but maybe ondarvr knows more.

The fact that the coating has chrome in it or not is old school knowledge.. most people nowadays don't care what the coating is, only that it's there and compatible with their resin. If you need impact resistance you don't pick a different coating, you move up to more exotic fibers, which will provide much more damage resistance than just a different coating would.

You can on the other hand chrome just about anything now... there are low temperature powder coats that work for this. I've even seen pictures of them applied to a wax carving as a test. You basically hook up an electrode to the object, a high voltage low current gun sprays powder to the desired depth, and you bake it in a convection oven to harden it. They're very durable.

I think it's only a matter of time before someone here powder coats an entire boat in chrome. With almost 200,000 users, I'm sure someone is that nuts.....

Erik
 

Truefire

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Re: Chroming fiberglass, advise please...

Well thanks my man for the reply at the very least these guys posting here will not think ol' Chris has gone crazy or such. Thanks for bringing that tidbit to the table, very informative.

Amazing just what one can learn when posting up here on these forums, nothing like a BOAT load of knowledge. And there sure is bunches of it lying around up here, just never know who may pick up a tag end and pull the entire posting in a new direction.

Most of the time to benefit us all during this process of picking one another's brain.

Thanks again.

Chris
 
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