coil smoking

will-j

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I recently bought a1986 boat with a 3 liter motor. I have replaced plugs,wires,cap,coil,rebuilt the carb.It still won't start.After I ran the battery down tring to start it,I went in the house & came back out to find my coil smoking,cracked& hot as hell. Please Help
 

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Re: coil smoking

Well,......I think I can safely say,......<br />You Need a New Coil........<br /><br />Did you leave the Key On ???<br /><br />What's the Voltage at the (+) side of the coil ?????
 

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Re: coil smoking

Did you check the points? Stuck points ground out the coil, and over an extended period of time will cause it to heat quite a bit....
 

achris

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Re: coil smoking

Before you burn up a second coil, find out why the first one smoked....
 

will-j

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Re: coil smoking

Everything was new.Points,condenser,coil,plugs,wires.The key was off.don't know what the voltage was on the positive side of the coil. Got to get a new coil before I try anything else. I will let you all know what happens next. :(
 

Don S

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Re: coil smoking

If everything was off and new, then you have a serious wiring problem. You need a service manual with a wiring diagram and a voltmeter.
 

rattana

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Re: coil smoking

You should have no voltage on the positive side of the coil with the key off. Measure between the positive side of the coil and the engine block.<br /><br />What is the point gap when the points are open?
 

will-j

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Re: coil smoking

I have not got a new coil yet.So I will check to see what the voltage is on the positive side with the key off when I get it.I believe the points gap is set at .022.I went and got me a shop manual today.So maybe with the help of all you guys and this manual we can get this pile of junk in the water before summer is over. I will keep informed.Thanks for everyones help :)
 

Reel Poor

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Re: coil smoking

You dont need a coil installed to check the voltage. Check it BEFORE you install the new coil or you might need ANOTHER new one.
 

bigbrownbuku

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Re: coil smoking

if you have 12v at the coil positive with the key off chances are your ignition switch is bunk. less likely is a short to positive in your wiring harness.
 

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You didn't say how long you were in the house ? You did say that you were cranking this thing enough to wear down the battery. If by chance you had started the coil cooking before going into the house, and the points are ok, check your shift interupter switch to make sure that it is not stuck or the contacts shorted. A coil is a transformer, transformers are ment to work with AC, however they work on boats, cars and motorcyles (DC) because the points "make and break" the negative connection, kind of acting like AC. If at anytime, that make and break or pulse stops(with power applied) then the coil is seeing straight DC....it will fry. Before you install a new coil (as the other guy's pointed out), disconnect the positive(+12V) wire from the coil, and put the positive lead of a meter or test light on the wire while the negative or ground of the meter or light is grounded, with the key off you should see no voltage or light, now turn the key on, you should see +12volts or a lit test light. If that checks out, reconnect the positive wire to the coil and clip your positive meter probe there (or test light). Now dissconnect the negative wire or wires from the negative post of the coil. connect your meter (or test light) negative to this wire or wires, with the key on are you getting 12 volts ? If so, "bump" the starter a time or two....still 12 volts ? If yes, take off the distributer cap and look at the points...if they are open or you can bump the starter untill they are open and you still have 12 volts....you have a ground short. If there are two wires going to the coil ground test them individualy.
 

pine island fred

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Re: coil smoking

If memory is correct, G.M. used coils that required an external resistor. 12 volts or what ever the battery would put out while cranking was applied to the coil when starting. Once running, the voltage was dropped to around 8 volts thru an external resistor ( ceramic,wire wound ) This required 2 wires at the positive side of the coil. Other manufactures used coils with an internal resistor that limited voltage to 8 V. all the time. Is it possible that you have a coil that requires an external resistor ? It could have been getting straight battery voltage with the key in the run position as you were troubleshooting. The internal or external resistor is there to reduce burning of the points, they cant handle 12 or 14.7 V. all the time. regards fred
 

will-j

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Re: coil smoking

I was only in the house for about 5 min. when the coil started smokin. I disconnected the wires on the pos. side of the coil & checed it with a tester & the needle on the tester buried itself. That was with the key off. I checked the ignition switch like the shop manual said it is alright.The manual had a test to check the ign. resister wire by removing the red/purple wire from the pos side of the coil,remove the purple wire from the alternator. Connect the ohmmeter to both ends. If the reading is not 1.5 to 2.5 replace the resister wiring harness.Do they mean just that wire or the whole harness? When I done the test, if I used the meter right, The needle buried itself all the way past the 0. The meter reads from high to low.If it was good should it have stopped between 1.5 & 2.5?What can I do next? I hate to blow up another $35 coil. Thanks again for everyones help :)
 

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Re: coil smoking

i think your old coil had an internal short circuit and this burnt it out.. i recon your old coil was the cause of the problem not a consequence of something else being wrong.. when u install your new one keep a close eye on it for a couple of minutes just to make sure it isnt getting too hot..<br /><br />trog100
 

K Hultgre

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Re: coil smoking

If I'm correct, sounds like your trying to measure voltage with an Ohm meter or with the meter set to measure Ohms.<br />When measuring voltage the meter should have volt ranges you can select. This will be important so you know exactly how much voltage is present at the coil.<br />Same with the Ohm meter. It should have ranges you can select, it's very difficult to measure and read 1.5 ohms when the meter is set on 100k ohm scale. When the needle buries it self while reading ohms you need to select a smaller scale.
 

will-j

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Re: coil smoking

I feel stupid not knowing how to use this multimeter.But there is only one setting that I can tell & it is ohm 1k.I did get the boat started finally.It is running a little rough,but I could not keep it running because I think the water passages are clogged.But my new coil is still getting hot.What can I do now?
 

trog100

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Re: coil smoking

only one thing really could make it get too hot.. its getting the full battery/alternator voltage as opposed to the lowered 9 or so volts it should get from the resistor wire..<br /><br />check the voltage at the positive coil terminal while the engine is running.. it should be about nine-ish.. <br /><br />how hot is "hot" by the way..???<br /><br />trog100
 

BillP

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Re: coil smoking

I left the key on once and melted the coil. I agree with trog100. It sounds like a resistor problem. Some coils have internal resistors and some have the resistor wire or an independent resistor. Make sure you have the right setup. Check the specs. Someone before you may have goofed and put the wrong coil on.
 

Paul Moir

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Re: coil smoking

I disconnected the wires on the pos. side of the coil & checed it with a tester & the needle on the tester buried itself. That was with the key off.
Now I'm just about totally ignorant about I/Os, but wouldn't that indicate he had power to the coil with the ignition off, even if he was using his meter set to Ohms?
 
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