Comparison of 12 Sterndrive Oil Candidates -- Dino & Synthetic

garycinn

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In my quest to find the perfect oil for my Mercruiser boat I did a VOA on Merc's 25W40 oil. I have searched, compiled, and posted 11 additional candidate oils. This would be interesting for anyone considering an alternative to Merc's 25W40 oil such as a 0-40, 5-40, or 15-40 oil -- dino or synthetic.<br /><br />The Merc oil trades off high Magnesium for very low Calcium. The TBN for Merc's oil is also almost half of all the other oils. This is for an oil that spends up to 12 months in an engine.<br /><br />Other than that it is very comparable to any other $6 / gallon HDEO that you would find at Walmart such as Delo, Delvac, LongLife, Rotella.<br /><br />I am going to leave my Merc oil in for the first 30 hours of use and do a UOA on it. I will then run 30 hours on one of the synthetics in the list and post both. I will mostly be looking for TBN depletion and viscosity reduction / shearing.<br /><br /> http://home.earthlink.net/~memphis3/boatoilsweb.htm
 

Walt T

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Re: Comparison of 12 Sterndrive Oil Candidates -- Dino & Synthetic

Sounds like you need to get a life.<br /><br />The service intervals are much more important that what brand of oil one uses.
 

Danny_Ocean

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Re: Comparison of 12 Sterndrive Oil Candidates -- Dino & Synthetic

Looks to me he does have a life. Probably an engineer or chemist making $$$.<br /><br />While interval change is very important, oil type is equally so. I've run nothing but Mobil1 in my work vehicles and the mechanics who work on them can tell by the spotless condition inside the valve cover and oil pan.<br /><br />Over 150,000 mi. each and ZERO mechanical problems (4.3l Chevy). (Oil pan and valve covers were removed for gasket changes).<br /><br />So, my question to "garycinn" is: What does this all mean? Am I wasting money on Mobil1? Are less expensive oils just as good/better?<br /><br />I plan to run Mobil1 Synthetic in my I/O (stock 330/454).<br /><br />D. Ocean<br />Pompano Beach, FLA
 

Walt T

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Re: Comparison of 12 Sterndrive Oil Candidates -- Dino & Synthetic

that reinforces my point. Dino oils are just as good if the service intervals are followed. Syn is great, so's dino.
 

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Re: Comparison of 12 Sterndrive Oil Candidates -- Dino & Synthetic

Garycin: My kind of guy. :D <br /><br />You would be hard pressed to find a better oil for I/Os than Dello 400. Loaded with additives and nearly a synthetic by todays standards. Easily would go 150 Hrs in a solid I/O.<br /><br />A test on an oil with only 30 hours is actually quite meaningless. Lets see what it looks like with 100+.
 

garycinn

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Re: Comparison of 12 Sterndrive Oil Candidates -- Dino & Synthetic

Oil and lubrication is just a hobby. Facinates me to no end. I also like to see if the claims and recommendations by manufacturers are for their own benefit or ours.<br /><br />Danny, I think M1 is a great oil. Here are some things these numbers tell me. Lubedude, chime in as you are certainly more of an expert at this than I am.<br /><br />-Some oils are thinner or thicker 40's than others from the start. There is a window where these twelve 40 grade oils can fall. Look at this chart http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/visc.html -- at the second column and the SAE motor column. You can see that 40's will fall anywhere from 12.5 to 16 or so. There are different scales. The one I used in the first post is 100 C Cst. So all of these twelve 40 grade oils fall anywhere between 14 to 15.9.<br />-The first two additives listed, Magnesium and Calcium are dispersants / detergents. It is interesting to see one oil load up on one but not the other, or both. Merc was the only oil that had such a high Magnesium level and also the lowest of Calcium.<br />-The next, Phosphorus, Zinc, and Molybdenum are anti-wear additives. It is my understanding that moly is the most expensive. Only a few have it and Redline is loaded with it.<br />-Boron is an anti-wear additive as well and it also helps with acid reduction. The Merc oil was loaded with Boron as was many of the Mobil products.<br />-Flashpoint. Not all the oils show this value because not all labs provide it. Generally, the higher number the better. The value is how hot the vapors will ignite with an open flame.<br />-TBN - total base number. The oils ability to neutralize acid. When the TBN is used up (and it will deplete as the oil is used) the oil can no longer neutralize acid as it once did when new. The higher the better because the higher you start the more room you have to deplete. I am going to note on the 12 oil link above that different labs tend to generate different numbers for TBN. For example, the Merc oil in my VOA was 6.5. There is a UOA showing the TBN as 11 from a different lab. I believe the Merc oil is competitive in TBN -- just different labs / different measureing methods for TBN.<br /><br />I wouldn't have any hesitation using any of these 12 oils in a boat. Decide what looks best to you and perform a UOA at the end of the season to see if it is doing its job. Since a boat engine runs at such high rpm it will tend to shear oil down. You certainly don't want to be running an oil that started as a 40 grade and now is a high 20 grade by the end of the season.<br /><br />For example, here is a used oil analysis on the Merc oil in a boat - http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000301 <br /><br />Notice all the additives dropped down from the VOA. The wear metals were insignificant in the VOA are now present after running the oil. Notice the viscosity has dropped down to an 11.5! From the earlier chart this is right in the middle of 30 grade. And this is only after 15 hours of use!<br /><br />So by doing a $12 UOA, you can compare it to the VOA (my original post) and see how the oil and your engine is doing. Pretty inexpensive for such information about your particular situation).<br /><br />Here is a link to a $12 (many are $25 to $30) lab (I'm not affiliated, just satisfied): www.analaboratories.com
 

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Re: Comparison of 12 Sterndrive Oil Candidates -- Dino & Synthetic

Been at it longer maybe, but no more of an expert. Just a hobbie for me also. Its interesting to some, some could care less. After all, oil is just oil. Right?<br /><br />It is very interesting to see which oils hold up and which ones dont, also the different ways they are blended. Ive found BITOG forums to be very interesting, Ive learned a lot there.
 

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Re: Comparison of 12 Sterndrive Oil Candidates -- Dino & Synthetic

lubedude, what are bigtog forums? I too am intrested in various oils, and was unable to find them online.<br /><br />thanks
 

garycinn

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Re: Comparison of 12 Sterndrive Oil Candidates -- Dino & Synthetic

Originally posted by ratherbfishin:<br />lubedude, what are bigtog forums? I too am intrested in various oils, and was unable to find them online.<br /><br />thanks
www.bobistheoilguy.com , i.e. BITOG
 

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Re: Comparison of 12 Sterndrive Oil Candidates -- Dino & Synthetic

On a boat motor, I dang sure want B and Mo together in one package, along with a good dose of ZDP. That low TBN would be enough to make me worry about this oil. You know it's another name brand oil that's repackaged but with some other "stuff" thrown in as Mercruiser would specify. Research wise, I'd go with Pennz. 15W-40. That stuff has everything in it. I also came across another oil from right here in Oklahoma, synergy. This stuff has the goods. Don't know about the HTHS numbers though. Don't worry dude, you have a life. We all have our interests.
 

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Re: Comparison of 12 Sterndrive Oil Candidates -- Dino & Synthetic

Garycinn,lubedude,schmoe: you guys got me goin, I went and changed the oil in my chevy 350 today, and put the penz longlife in.... I like the moly content if it stays suspended.... anyway I'm good for another season.........thanks for all the info, this forum is a goldmine.............
 

garycinn

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Re: Comparison of 12 Sterndrive Oil Candidates -- Dino & Synthetic

Sounds good. I'm going to give Mobil 1 15W50 with a quart of M1 10W30 to thin it down a touch. I remember Bondo liking the 15W50 in his 4.3L V6 and I like the specs of the 15W50 over the Delvac or Truck & SUV oils for a boat. My 4.3L with TBI works pretty hard in my 2700 lb boat.
 
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