Condensors all alike?

Scaaty

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I'd like to take my condenser (Mallory Flat Cap-350GM VP280) and mount it externally. Did this on one on my Harleys too for the room-mounted it near the coil on the frame. On the MFC distributor its buried in the back under the wetwell, with the tinyist screw made. My question is can I use just about any condenser? I have bunch from over the years brand new. Thanks in advance, Robby
 

Trent

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Re: Condensors all alike?

Why??? And your putting yourself at risk due to the explosion factor.
 

Laddies

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Re: Condensors all alike?

No most condensers have differant capacities plus like Trent said if you alter a system you accept manufactures liabily
 

trog100

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he he.. naughty boy.. how dare u suggest altering something.. shame on u.. he he<br /><br />trog100
 

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Yo Trog100, is there something the matter with you or you simplely don't understand the law, it was written to keep people with your limited knowledge of marine systems from injurying themselves or worse somebody else--Bob
 

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yeah trog....aren't we supposed to go through life never taking any chances and doing everything by the way somebody else tells us to do it?....service-lady, I highly doubt you have any premonition whatsoever of trog's knowledge, he's just playin' around. So pipe down and cool it.
 

trog100

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sorry bob.. i coulnt resist it.. but some of u guys just dont realize quite how "priggish" and "schoolmarmish" u sound at times..<br /> <br />no offense intended.. only a little humour..<br /><br />as for the law.. well i think i agree with Oscar Wilde who was sposed to have said..<br /><br />"The law is for the guidance of wise men and the obediance of fools"<br /><br />Still i do know exactly where u are coming from.. and the logic behind your thinking.. which sadly does have some merit.. <br /><br />trog100
 

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He He ? sorry guys i could'nt resist<br /><br /><br /> Jim
 

jimmythekid

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i would rather continue to use the old before relocating it. if you do have to change it, and its hard to get to, just pull the whole distributor.
 

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i can only say you guys must have never seen what a burn victim looks like <br /><br />somebody asks about a part and is told doing it would cause a saftey problem and you mock them??for following basic marine engine saftey <br /><br />tommays
 

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Robby,<br /><br />Different condensers for different ignition systems, they have difference impedence ratings, this includes the length of wire used to connect them. If you move it you will be changing its rating.<br /><br />Aldo
 

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hey moronunimpressed...you dont have any idea of laddies qualifications neither so what gives you the right too tell people too pipe down...cant trog handle his own affairs? you need too learn too pipe down yourself before you suggest it too others...dsrchamp04..btw..im a national champion because of laddies service...one of many because of his talents.
 

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post removed by original poster..<br /><br /><br />trog100
 

Dunaruna

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Re: Condensors all alike?

The first two responses to this thread were to the point and accurate, then you jumped in but you didn't contribute to Robbys question, how about helping Robby, tell us how you would successfully and safely move a condenser to a remote location. You seem fond of long essays on anything but the initial question so please, enlighten us.<br /><br />Aldo
 

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Ah Aldo, the voice of reason. Time for enlightenment trog100... I'd like to help but wigglyamps are TFD for me! :(
 

Scaaty

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Re: Condensors all alike?

Thanks Aldo, Trent and Laddie. I remember now when I switched to a single fire on the Harley, the condenser was moved to the frame near the coil, it was the called for condenser, and only added an inch of wire. And I have to plead "brain fade" on the "explosion factor". Sometimes I forget what I'm working on with 4 boats and 13 motorcycles. And yes, my question was answered in the first two posts. <br />Trog, do me a favor and please do not reply to any of my post again. You add nothing, and start argements. The rest, thanks.
 

waterone1@aol.com

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Re: Condensors all alike?

Can we get technical for a moment on this ?<br />The condensor or capacitor is used to "smooth out" the sharp voltage spikes associated with opening and closing the points (up to 5000 times per minute) this also reduces sparks and the associated burning of the point contacts. These circuits have been around for almost as long as distributors. Condensors or capacitors are rated in microfarads and a maximum voltage rating. These are all used on the primary side of the ignition coil...12V.....so we are not talking about high voltage here (yes, without it there will be some higher voltage spikes). Once again this is a very simple circuit, so most auto and marine condensors are very close in capacitance, if you want to be very particular, take the one off of the boat, along with your "pile" of other ones to a local tv/electronics shop and ask them to measure the capacitance of the original and to see if one in your pile of spares is the same capacitance. Now for the wire issue.....all wire does have resistance and capacitance that is true. In this case, as long as you used good, thick cable running from the distributor to the remote location (keep the distance reasonable...no more than 5 ft of cable) I don't see a problem. Keep in mind that 5 ft of 14 ga wire will be less than half an ohm of resistance and a couple of Picofarads (1/0000 of a Microfarad) of capacitance. In my opinion, the biggest safety issue here is to get the wire out of the distibutor and seal around it, to maintain the explosion proof rating of the distributor.
 

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Re: Condensors all alike?

Sorry to double post....but..... For the best and "safest" match, why not purchase a new condensor from your local marine dealer and "remote" that.
 

trog100

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someone other than me has carfully edited and altered my longish post up this thread by the way.. too neatly for an auto censor and there is no mention that this has been done.. i have now removed it completely..<br /><br />but.. i am now being accused of not informing robbie of the technicalities of what he was doing safe or not safe..<br /><br />well.. i was going to but didnt cos i knew i would be accused of encouraging him to do dangerous things.. simple as that.. so not being overly happy about this situation i made a little joke..<br /><br />waterone1 has it about right.. thow even he feels the need to come back and qualify his first post with a "best and "safest" alternative...<br /><br />safety is a relative thing.. it isnt an absolute.. one guys idea of safe isnt another guys.. what was considered safe yesterday probably wont be considered safe tomorrow.. and no one holds the monopoly on it even if they think they do..<br /><br />dont get too carried away about the benifits of "safety" either.. else one day u might lose your big and inherently dangerous toys altogether.. and before that u will likely be banned from touching em with a wrench unless u are a certified and qualified mechanic and work for a dealership..<br /><br />and of course it will all be done under the guise of making the world a nicer safer place for your protection.. and sadly the argument behind it will be irrefutable.. cos no one dares question the benefits of "safety" now do they... he he<br /><br />trog100
 

paulrfrancisco

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Re: Condensors all alike?

Not to belabor a point... but what WATERONE1 said.. "The condensor or capacitor is used to "smooth out" the sharp voltage spikes associated with opening and closing the points", In my opinion is incorrect... the condensor is used to create a rapid discharge of 12V toward the Coil when the points close thereby creating the discharge... the rapid rise in voltage from Grnd 0 Volts to 12Volts creates a pulse of electricity into the Primary side of the coil, which induces a much larger secondary voltage than a normal switching on of 12 volts direct from the battery. Basically, the faster the rise in voltage the greater the secondary voltage...
 
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