Considering a Toon... Now what else to consider?

Bigkat650

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Hey all, It's been a while since I've been on the Iboats website--almost a year exactly. The late winter always seems to get me day dreaming about warmer summer days out on the lake. A little boating background... Last year I purchased an old 50's v-bow with an old 50's 35hp. After completely rebuilding the boat from the ground up--I finally got it out on the water, and proceeded to struggle to get the old motor running, and once I did get it going, I QUICKLY realized my local lakes are waaaay too much lake for a SMALL 14ft v-bottom.

In the late summer, my first kid was born. Now, 6 months later I cannot wait to get the family back out onto the lake--problem is, my daughter will not be getting into that old 14fter on the big lake. I need something much larger, stable, and capable of the waters in my area.

To me, the logical choice is a pontoon boat, as they seem to encompass everything I NEED in a boat, and some of the higher HP tritoons seem to do everything. The question is, what size/type of pontoon/tritoon do I really need?

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I live in upstate NY, in what is known as the fingerlake region. It get this name for the several elongated lakes that cover the area. The two main lakes I will be using the boat on, are also the two largest at approx 35 miles long, and 3 miles wide, and several hundred feet deep. These lakes, because of their size, on most days have 2-3ft rolling waves on most of the lake (depending on the wind) Some calmer days the water will have minimal waves, but waves can also get up to and exceeding 4ft.

So what pontoon size is right? I know I need at least 25" toons, and I am looking in the 20'-24' range. I know longer is better for handling the rougher waters, but I also only have a midsize SUV to tow with (toyota highlander), and I will have to launch the boat every time we want to use it, as we will not have a slip for it. Basically it comes down to will a 20ft pontoon handle 3ft rolling waves without much 'concern' that I am pushing the boat to its limits? I do plan on going with at least a 75hp motor, hoping more in the 115hp+ range (depending on the toon) because I need to be able to cover some water on these large lakes.

Ultimately I plan on using the boat as recreation--i.e. lounging, cruising, fishing, swimming. No tubing/skiing for several more years at least, and honestly, I will probably be upgrading within a couple of years. I figure my budget to only be in the $10-13k range, so I'm hoping I can find a nice gently used boat that's maybe 5-10 years old. I think a tritoon will be out of my price range for now. What are some thoughts on what size would be ideal based on my needs?

Thanks for reading the post, and I greatly appreciate any replies to help make this decision a bit easier for me. :)
 

steelespike

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Re: Considering a Toon... Now what else to consider?

I've done 99% of my boating in the 1000 islands. It doesn't blow up like the lakes can.
i was in a heavy blow on Skaneatles lake When I was about 14 Its the only time I wondered if I could make it in my 14 footer.
I had my first boat when I was 6 , I was once out in the tail end of Hurricane Hazel Only had to go about 100 ft ti get into the somewhat sheltered side of an island.
Our 18 ft Pontoon at the 1000 islands handled everything pretty easily but I don't think we had to do as much as a 3 footers.
Occasional heavy swells from big boats would come over the front pretty easily at no wake speed, no danger but a bit wet.
I think I would do a tri toon or add a pod if I was buying a new toon just to get the speed, all most like a runabout.
I'm sure a tri toon would handle waves the best as well.
 

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Re: Considering a Toon... Now what else to consider?

I think you'll get tossed around a bit on the not so smooth days. I boat on Lake Winnipesaukee in NH and it's similar in size and probably conditions. Something closer to 24' with three tubes will be much better for the bigger waves. Three foot waves are not fun in a pontoon (or any pleasure boat). If you do go larger you'll want at least a 115 HP and a 150 HP if possible. My tubes are just under 24' long and I had a 3rd tube added this winter (different reason but much welcomed none the less).

Also, you may think a double bimini is not needed but trust me when I say you'll be much happier on those hot sunny days. I added a second bimini as a last minute decision (boat was already ordered) after reading other's advice and I'm so glad I did.

Maybe the best thing for you to do before you buy is rent one similar to what you're looking for and see how it goes. This is what I did and it was an eye opener and the main reason I bought the boat (length/HP) that I did.
 

Bigkat650

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Re: Considering a Toon... Now what else to consider?

Thank You for the quick replies. The two lakes (Cayuga & Seneca) are both dominated by 30ish foot sail boats and 20-30ft cabin cruisers. There are a fair amount of pontoon boats, but typically they stick close to shore, and leave the middle of the lake to the v-bottoms. The wind typically blows from west to east, so the west shore is typically the smoothest. When it blows out of the south is when the waves are minimal (I launch in the south end of the lakes). One thing I am concerned about is the water coming over the bow, and this is where a tritoon would certainly come in handy. It sounds like the 24ft with a minimum 90hp would be the way to go. If this is the case, how is it towing/launching a toon of this size? Maximum towing for the 07 highlander is 3500lbs, so weight should be OK... but I read pontoons tow heavier then they are due to their bulky size.
 

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Re: Considering a Toon... Now what else to consider?

The longer the better. I had a 21ft toon that would bowstuff when going over large wakes. Thats not fun. The shorter ones on big waves can also have the problem where the backend is lifted to the point where motor loses bite or even comes out of the water.

I currently have a 25' with 25" toons and cuts through and spans the waves as opposed to bobbing over them.

I cannot comment as to applicability to the waters you boat in, but I would add/endorse two pieces of advice

1) Happy family - happy you.. Unhappy family - no more boating
2) See what is rented on the lake and try them out. That is the best way to see what will work and what won't. It is also a way to try things out with your family without making the plunge. If you rent a 20' and it is too rough, it is better to find that out than to have already bought it and the family is unhappy. See #1.

Your car may or may not be an issue depending on how far you need to go. If it is not a mile or two down the road to the ramp, you may need to rethink the toon or teh tow vehicle. Pontoons, while not overly heavy, tow like crap (think big tall sail). You could be in the tail waggin the dog territory with a hylander.
 

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Re: Considering a Toon... Now what else to consider?

Whether it's a 20' or 25', it won't make much difference as to your vehicle, unless your planning on a long haul. The weight variance isn't great. We get into 2 or 3 ft. swells on occasion on our 20' and it handles it well. Granted, a 24' would handle it better. The diameter of the pontoon will make a difference. Older models may only have 19" to 23" toons. Try to stick with 25" or bigger.
 

Bigkat650

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Re: Considering a Toon... Now what else to consider?

Yea a guy from work has a 18fter from the 80's that only has 19" toons--and according to him its fairly useless on the big lakes without near perfect weather. I'm certain 25" toons is the way to go, and I will probably try and get something in the 22'+ range. My biggest problem is I still haven't been able to convince my wife we need to buy a new boat :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:, so right now this is little more then a pipe dream--but it doesn't hurt to educate myself just in case. Renting one and hopefully she falls in love with it is probably my best shot at getting one this season. She does like the lake, so we'll see.
 

rogerwa

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Honestly thats what I did it with my wife. We rented a pontoon on the 4th of July and had a great time. A couple weeks later, we are driving and she pops out with "how much do you think it would cost to buy a pontoon"? In my mind I am saying to myself, this is not a drill, repeat this is not a drill. Answer too much and the opportunity is gone. I answered with an intentionally vague answer.

But over 10-11 years later we love out time on the three pontoons, one bow rider, and jet ski we have owned. With all the memories to go with it.
 

WaterDR

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Re: Considering a Toon... Now what else to consider?

I used to toon the finger lakes with a 20 foot toon with a 40 hp and had plenty of fun, though never really had any challenging conditions.

In general, I think a 24 footer as has already been mentioned will give you a lot more use.
 

Bigkat650

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Re: Considering a Toon... Now what else to consider?

Just checked out renting a pontoon boat... $275 a day for a 24ft, while a 18ft open bow was $75!:mad-new: Maybe i'll just see if they have one I can test drive lol
 

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Re: Considering a Toon... Now what else to consider?

In my area a 24' pontoon is renting between $300 and $350 and cheap money to see if it fits your needs compared to buying and finding out it doesn't ;)
 

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Re: Considering a Toon... Now what else to consider?

Good advice so far, but I bear bad news. If your Highlander's towing capacity is 3500 pounds you won't like towing a barge over eighteen feet. In fact, anything bigger will exceed your limit. My 21 footer weighs 3500 (including trailer), and that's the actual weight. Throw in the considerable wind resistance and it tows much heavier.
 

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A zillion years ago we rented a pontoon with a 40hp motor. Said Never Again. Seemed like it took a week to get outside the 10mph zone, then the 'toon would only go 12 mph. Much later after several 'go fast' ski boats we have an 18' party barge with a 75 hp (biggest allowed for the transom) I can run 24mph all day, still not fast enough, but I'm a lot older now and the grand kids love the barge. Suggestions, get the biggest motor allowable. Cost can be a huge factor, high HP Tri-toons can get up there, as well as 24+foot Pontoons. It can get pretty bumpy on Lakes Mead, Mohave, and Havasu out west here, you just have to be careful and watch the weather. Longer boats do handle the bad water better, but still get beat up!
 

WaterDR

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I tow our pontoon with a Chrylser Pacifica and it does just fine.
 

lncoop

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I tow our pontoon with a Chrylser Pacifica and it does just fine.

I wouldn't personally exceed my vehicle's towing capacity, but we all make our own decisions. Hope it continues to work out for you (no snark intended).
 

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One of the biggest things and a very important thing is a Built in swim ladder!!! Those portable ones suck!
 

Bigkat650

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One of the biggest things and a very important thing is a Built in swim ladder!!! Those portable ones suck!

Ohh I almost forgot, this get's me to another question. I have a black lab who LOVES swimming. Any thoughts on ramps?? I have seen these: Shipping Now! Floating Dog Ramp for Boats, Docks and Pools - Pet Classics™ but I wondered if there was any other options people have tried? I'm fairly handy so if its home-made that's fine as long as its easy, functional and safe.
 

Bigkat650

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Re: Considering a Toon... Now what else to consider?

I tow our pontoon with a Chrylser Pacifica and it does just fine.

OK that's a similar sized car maybe even a tad smaller then the highlander. I think a 22ft would tow OK with our car, even though I live up a considerable hill from the lakes--maybe 800ft... On a side note, my parents towed their boat home from the dealer using a 1997 Chevy Lumina... Did I mention that boat was a 22ft cabin cruiser (dry weight 3700 before trailer) and the dealership was over 250 miles away?!?! :eek::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: Can you say SKETCHY!
 

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OK that's a similar sized car maybe even a tad smaller then the highlander. I think a 22ft would tow OK with our car, even though I live up a considerable hill from the lakes--maybe 800ft...

As I said before, we make our own choices, and I only mention it because you asked, but a 22 foot rig will exceed your vehicle's towing capacity. Would you be comfortable with the consequences?
 

WaterDR

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Re: Considering a Toon... Now what else to consider?

I wouldn't personally exceed my vehicle's towing capacity, but we all make our own decisions. Hope it continues to work out for you (no snark intended).

I am not exceeding the vehicle capacity. In other news, we don't tow that much as I have a slip.
 
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