Constitution Right

[SS MAYFLOAT]

With our constitutional right to bear arms, Do you think our country would be more or less prone to terrorist attacks?........SS

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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SS, I don't know if that has a lot to do with it anymore.<br /><br />If they want to do something, they just do it cause they are not afraid of dieing anyway.<br /><br />That's what they believe, die for a cause whether right or wrong.<br /><br />As many war-protesters that we have now a days, would not be a bit surprised to see something from one of them groups.

 

[neumanns]

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SS, Dont feel it would be a factor either way to a terrorist. When you are trained to take your own life would seem to me the threat of someone else to take your life would be insignificant<br /><br />When we enter battle it is with a two-way ticket<br /><br />They enter with a one way ticket Says a LOT!!

 

[KennyKenCan]

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Just one more thing to remember.<br /><br />It is up to the people of the United States to support, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign or domestic.<br /><br />I think its about time to use our Constitutional right to take arms against all those who violate those given rights including the war protestors and passivists who are determined to destroy this nation.<br /><br />Unfortunatly in the state I live in, the passivist's have already won a victory by banning gun ownership without a permit, in violation of the Constitution.<br /><br />It takes approx. 9 - 15 months to get one!

 

[Jack Shellac]

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I don't believe it would make any difference to them, since they're willing to die anyway. On the upside, however, you've got a much better chance of taking them out before they kill a lot of people. A gun is much more useful than wringing your hands and begging them to stop.

 

[golfer]

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Kenny.....I am right with you on the freekin' protesters. If you don't like it here (USA), get the $#@% out!!! To protest violence in a violent way, is really, well, stupidity...If you aren't helping the cause, you are hindering. Popular opinion, and polls say that more of us are for the war than against. By protesting, you idiot protesters are basically saying you don't beleive in Democracy. You (protesters) would rather leave things alone to avoid conflict, when what you are really doing is allowing a maniac to become even more dangerous, more powerful, and more prepared. Ever wondered why people shovel snow off their roof in the winter when it starts getting too deep? It is to avoid the roof from caving in. Much the same as removing Iraq's current leadership, it is merely using common sense, and avoiding future problems. By the way, are any of you protesters relatives of anyone that has died due to terrorism? <br /><br />Let's try to help ourselves, not hinder. We are at war, we aren't going to stop, spend your efforts supporting our government, not protesting it.<br /><br />One last thought for the protesters. Are you aware that the more police and security used to control you, is that much less that is trying to protect us from terrorist activity? Think about it...

 

[KennyKenCan]

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Hi Jack and Golfer,<br /><br />I think that you are right as far as the terrorist's go. Taking up arms against them would be difficult. But if I saw a terrorist here in New York City, which is where I am at this very moment, at work, the unconstitutional New York State law prohibits me from using my U.S. Constitutional right to take action!<br /><br />Since when can a State Law over rule a Constitutional Right?<br /><br />It also prohibits my right to take out the domestic enemy, the Anti-American war protestors and passivists!

 

[neumanns]

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Golfer;...Gotta say your post strikes me funny..the ability to disagree with issues is at its very soul the democratic process. <br /><br />If you have a view diffrent than your leaders and and are not allowed to express it that is preciesly why we have litterally 100's of thousands of Iraqies here and in other countrys around the globe at places other than there home.<br /><br />Seems that like it or leave it has been employed in iraq...not exactly what i would consider a prime "democracy"example.<br /><br />In case this raises the question I am in support of our leadership and there chosen course of action.It has been a long time coming...also note this does not mean i am in support of "violent protest" but to do with your like it or leave it comment.

 

[KennyKenCan]

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It use to be known to foreigners that in the U.S.A., that its citizens here where armed , and that prevented an attack here for almost 100 years , since Poncho Villa attacked New Mexico.<br /><br />Now, after the passivists and left wing liberals have gotten their way, terrorists have taken advantage of the laws that the passivists and liberals created to prohibit gun ownership, and have left the U.S.A. open to attack just like on Sept. 11, 2001.<br /><br />As long as the rest of the world knows that America is no longer protected by its citizens, attacks like Sept. 11 will continue!<br /><br />For that reason alone, Americans need to take up arms and protect ourselves and our families , and our way of life! <br /><br />It just goes to prove that our Fore-fathers knew what they were talking about when they put the clause in the Constitution for its citizens to have the right to keep and bear arms, and use those rights !

 

[golfer]

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I agree Neumans....We do, and should have a right to voice an opinion. We have voiced that the majority of us are for the war. If it came to a vote, and we decided as we have in polls, that we should be in this war, that would be the decision...After that decision (staying in the war) is made, there should be no more argument, just support. In that respect, I conclude if there are more of us for the war than against, let's get busy helping out, not whinning about it.

 

[mellowyellow]

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the fact that this country is the wealthiest,<br />most powerful nation is proof these guys knew<br />what they were doing when they wrote this document!<br />freedom of speech means you won't always like<br />what you hear!<br />freedom of expression means you won't always like<br />what you see!<br />they also said we got the right to bear arms.<br /><br />the truth is "self evident" IMHO!<br />my .02,<br />M.Y.

 

[KennyKenCan]

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Hey mellow,<br /><br />You are 100% right, but what I object to is the passivists and left wing liberals that want to make changes to the documents that are very dear to me. <br /><br />That is totally unacceptable!!<br /><br />Here in New York, my basic Constitutional rights have been taken away from me!

 

[12Footer]

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To answer that is to speculate.<br /><br />But I would rather my rights to carry heat not be messed with. It might be harmfull for one's health.<br /><br />The terroist puke wannabe looks at me,and must now axe the question ,"Does he, or doesn't he?"<br />Only his gun dealer knows for sure!

 

[miloman]

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oh no another gun debate Im sitting on the sideline for this one as the last one took too long

 

[Skinnywater]

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In answer to the original question.<br />"With our constitutional right to bear arms, Do you think our country would be more or less prone to terrorist attacks?........SS"<br /><br />What the media and others don't report is the fact that almost all PLO terorists that are shot before, during and after a terrorist attack in Isreal is shot and killed by an armed citizen. In fact, earlier this year, two seperate such shootings of PLO terrorists were shot by female citizens. <br /><br />Would a couple of armed citizens on the airliners of 9/11 maybe have prevented such a large loss of life? Maybe, maybe not, but it's very possible.<br />Would armed citizen/teachers in the Colorado school prevented such a large loss of life? Probably. <br /><br />On the subject of protesters. <br />You can best believe that protesting and political dissent is a valuable tool for the patriot and our forefathers. The Boston tea party was a pretty big protest in its day. And our defiance of our King was treasonous.<br />This business of leaving my country if I don't agree with it, is bullgarbiscablona. If I feel the need to peacefully assemble and protest, I'll spit in the eye of anyone to stop me.<br /> However, todays protesters seem to want to step on the rights of citizens that have to commute to work to support thier families. They seriously hamper commerce and are seriously distracting the police and other civil servants from thier important dutys of keeping our cities safe from terrorists. The business of citizens, actors and media giving our enemies a forum is not protest but is aiding our enemy.<br /><br />Debate or protest against a military action, is your right. However, while our troops are shooting or are being killed is tacky at the very least. The protesters will tell you they are in support of our troops, again, bullgarbiscablona. You want to look a troop in the eye and tell him while his guts is sprayed 20 yards behind him that you protest his action? The only people that have a good right to protest or debate now, is that troops family or his brothers in arms.<br /><br />To the protesters:<br />There was plenty of debate and protest before this action. There will be plenty of time afterwards. For the sake of the troops, thier families and the Country. Exercise your right to shut the hell up!<br /><br />IMO

 

[12Footer]

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<br />"You want my gun, Girly-man.Heya..Wait..Let me unload it for you!!"

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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My personal thought on the matter is this. It may not matter on suicide terroists, but for an invasion from another country it could be a big factor. They wouldn't know who would be armed among the citizens. I'll keep my fire power regardless to law or no law........SS

 

[neumanns]

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Skinnywater...Well Said. and yes i do believe armed citezens would have been an asset on 9/11 flights.... However the fact remains that I do not believe the answer to this situation is arming civilians on commercial flights. This would be very dangerous in the long run.If the problem persiests I would reconsider and proably change my mind...For the current risk level theres to many hotheads out there.

 

[Skinnywater]

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neumanns wrote:<br />"I do not believe the answer to this situation is arming civilians on commercial flights. This would be very dangerous in the long run....For the current risk level theres to many hotheads out there." <br /><br />I agree with your statements in our current mindset. The essence of the problem with guns is a convoluted reasoning to them.<br /><br />Currently as far as I know, it is illegal for a minor to possess or purchase a firearm. It's illegal to steal one or buy one off the street. It's illegal for a person with a felony, prior violent acts, including domestic violence to own or purchase one. It's illegal for anyone with prior mental health issues or drug abuse to purchase or own a firearm.<br />The major assault currently is against people who do not meet that criteria. There is a huge amount of money, time and resources being spent making it much more difficult and much more expensive or just a plain pain in the hiney for legal, hard working, honest, level headed, safe, and productive citizens to purchase and own firearms. These considerable resources, money and efforts used to enforce existing laws, along with stiffer penalties for criminals and safety education would very substantially reduce gun violence. <br />In addition, it has been a proven fact that in states that allow a more liberal ownership of firearms, crime was reduced automatically, instantly and substantially. <br />The opposite cause, caused an opposite effect.<br /><br />As far as "hotheads" go. I've witnessed more lame "hotheads" in the past week in the form of people who profess that they are anti violence and are pro peace in the example of the multitude of anti war demonstrators. The core and majority of these folks have the same mentallity concerning firearms that they have with this current liberation of Iraq and the use of a bovine for a T-bone.......convoluted.<br /><br />There is another issue. Culture. In the course of accepting others cultures, we are loosing our own. While accepting others cultures, the gesture isn't being reciprocated. Increasingly, in most cases, all American culture is being taught as being villianous.<br />This coincides with another issue. The degradation of the family. Past culture coincided with father and mothers teaching there children safe and practical use of firearms. There was an implied responsibility along with pride and care of firearm ownership that continued on through that childs life. Accentuating this positive culture instead of eliminating it would play to a safer world.<br /><br />Another issue that has a failed convoluted effort, and has an negative impact on violent crime, drugs. <br />In my example its the illegality of them that so completely, automatically and efficiently injects the criminal element into them. This catch 22 wastes trillions of dollars on an effort that is so impossible to stop or control. Simply because of the amount of money that the illegality of them creates. Almost immediately crime would shoot through the basement if the criminal element and thus the large money were removed. With the attrition of the hardcore users and existing vast sums of money now used against this failed policy, used for drug education, within a few years crime and social corruption would plummet.<br /><br />In essence most new laws, influence and policies are not based on common sense or fairness. Corruption, money and power are more of a motivation of government then the Constitution or fairness.<br />This automatically defaults to the assault on the<br />law abiding, fair minded, productive, tax paying citizen thier 2nd ammendment Constitutional right.<br /><br />Some of what I've written is fact. Some of it is opinion. I'll repeat again what I've experienced several times.<br />With the only exception of my own family members. All contact that I've ever had with any and all people. The most respectful, cordual, safest, peaceful, considerate, unassuming and nicest people, strangers or friends, that I've ever met, are people that I suspect are armed and the suspicion is reversed that I am as well.

 

[neumanns]

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Skinny... ya baited me and it worked, gone try to respond to a few pionts. Not in depth nor trying to convince anyone my point of view is the only one or the right one just my opinions and thoughts. Also this will proably be my last reply on this issue as it could go on forever.<br /><br />on the age i do not think minors should be allowed many are not ready for the responsibility and if they were they are still minors in the courts Transulation no consequences.<br /><br />On the criminal element- they have already proved they cannot manage the responsibility they have.<br /><br />On the "current assult": there are to many people that should get involved but dont The anti's are far more active thus they get heard. we all know how to counter this yet we dont. we cannot leave this for someone else to protect our rights.<br /><br />On hotheads, if proven i would hope none would be armed only creates bad situations. it is not the levelheaded gun owner that opens fire in an unwarented situation.<br /><br />On culture and family: once again falls to the individual. I am doing my part with Mine.<br /><br />On the money trail and policies etc: see above section entiteled Current assult and reread it.<br /><br />This is an explosive issue and i am not looking for arguments on a site dedicated boats so I will not post any more on this topic. Proabibaly should have let this one alone in the first place.