contractors rebuilding iraq

[mattttt25]

so what do you think? i haven't really formed an opinion yet, need to think about it more. at first, i say it makes sense- if they did not support the war, they don't get to profit from the rebuilding. but some of these countries are now lending support, and may withdrawl that if not allowed to bid on contracts. btw, it's important to note that only generals are affected- subs can be hired from any country. tough call...

 

[oddjob]

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I say leave it to Bectel and/ Harington and then they will sub out as needed. France,Germany...they helped Iraq enough before the war..

 

[POINTER94]

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They not only were opposed to the war they actively hindered it's prosecution. No soup for you!!!!!!!!

 

[TexSkeeter150]

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As Bush said...."You are either with us or against us"......You can't have it both ways. Why in the world would we want those that impeaded and endangered our troops, much less not float any of the bill in lives, equipment or money, to reap any benifit at all from the war on terror. Good for Bush.

 

[KennyKenCan]

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Thats right, what President Bush said, your either with us or your with the terrorist's.<br /><br />Well, France, Germany, Belgium, and Russia should all now be considered terrorist states.<br /><br />They weren't with us in the war against terror, instead, they were suppling the terrorist's!!!<br /><br />Why in the world should they be allowed to profit from American blood?<br /><br />NO, NO, NO!!!!!<br /><br />So, in my opinion, France, Germany, Belgium, and Russia are now all terrorist states and the United States IS AT WAR WITH ALL TERRORIST STATES!!<br /><br />And as SBN would say... BOMB THEM

 

[butlp]

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Kenny,<br />I guess you had better include both Canada & Mexico in your Terrorist States! <br />Watch which way the wind is blowing before you "BOMB THEM" though, New York and Texas are really close!!!!!!

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Pour it on them KKC. I have my Hepa Suit on.<br /><br />Yea they don't want to put out but man, they sure want to get some of it now though.<br /><br />Wait KKC, let me get the fuse.

 

[Toad2001]

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Is there some amnesia happening?<br /><br />When Bush said ...."You are either with us or against us"......he was talking about fighting terrorism. There is a HUGE distinction between the war in Iraq and the war on terror. <br />Bush said the war in Iraq was to free the Iraqis from the oppressive regime. He said it was due to the major security threat of weapons of mass destruction. I never much heard anything about fighting a terrorism threat in Iraq. <br /><br />And you can count on Canada, and probably France to assist the US in any threatening military situation it finds itself in which affects it's domestic security. In this (Iraq) case, the US, made the almost exclusive unilateral move to invade Iraq withouut the UN, and other SOVEREIGN countries decided not to participate. Again, if the US were in actual need, you'd have as much backing the world could provide. ie: the real war on terror.

 

[KennyKenCan]

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Toad2001,<br /><br />This subject has been debated on this forum already, and doesn't need to be restarted here.<br /><br />Take some time and view some of the older posts to be further enlightened.

 

[KennyKenCan]

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Thanks Lost Canadian,<br /><br />Consider them on the list then.<br /><br />When was the last time either Canada or Mexico done anything for the USA, other than whinnnne and cry?<br /><br /> BOOOOOMMMMM

 

[TexSkeeter150]

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There is and was a major difference with what Canada and Mexico did, compared to what France, Germany and Russia had done. Canada and Mexico did not agree with the stance the USA took. Although I disagree with their views they have that right as sovereign nations. France, Germany and Russia tried to undermine the efforts of the United States for their own personal gain and power in the European community and wealth. Now, they should get what the have sewn.

 

[Toad2001]

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Kenny,<br /><br />If you are so enlightened, then why are you bringing up incorrect information re: the with us or without us speach. Thanks ignorant old wise one.<br /><br />Give some examples of Canada whining and crying...<br />I am just as proud of my country as you probably are of yours. I would never, however resort to trying to humiliate your entire nation or populous in a post like you did. Two other posters have done it recently too. Must be a complex or individual insecurity issue going on. Very sad.

 

[POINTER94]

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Toad,<br /><br />You're half right. I believe when push comes to shove we can count on the Canadians. They have been there b4 and I know they would have our backs if we needed them or vice versa.<br /><br />The French wouldn't lift a finger to help anyone but themselves. They have proven it time and time again. Their self serving motives, illegal sales in the face of UN sanctions, the passing on of technologies and chemicals knowing **** well the ramifications on world stability, shows how little they can be trusted. I have more respect for UBL than the French. He at least believes his cause will benefit the world, the French are not that far sighted in their goals.<br /><br />I know loan sharks with more compassion than the French. And short term memory... They have reduced themselves to a two bit snivelling, second rate, non-factor country. They are corrupt and dishonest and I would have nothing to do with them and make an effort to remind them of their double standards towards friendship.<br /><br />They are a disgraceful country.

 

[NOSLEEP]

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Canada should have supported the U.S. on its <br />stance against Iraq. Just as the U.S. would <br />support Canada in a time of need.<br />Our Primeminister is and was in bed with the <br />french government on this one.<br />Most of Canadians support the U.S. <br />French speaking Canada supports the french,as<br />they are not really Canadians.Their politicians<br />remind us when ever they can.

 

[Toad2001]

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Thanks Pointer,<br /><br />What you speak of about Canada is 100% true.<br /><br />I can't speak for France.

 

[thehound]

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Hey Guys , <br />This is getting pretty heavy for a boating forum isn't it ? We have to remember that we live in free countries that allow us to have our own opinions and not nessasary the same of our standing government . Before the war in Iraq began there was global protesting against the invaision , there was also alot of support and continuing support for the countries armies involved . Everyday I read the paper and my heart goes out to the falling soldiers fighting for peace in Iraq , Afghanistan and their countries .<br /> Proud Canadian George McIntyre

 

[plywoody]

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When Powell went to the UN, this was never about "liberating" Iraq. This was about the "imminent" threat Saddam posed...And of course his supposed ties to Al-qaida--and of course the imminent danger of his nuclear program.<br /><br />Canada, and most of Europe, except the UK, didn't buy it--Guess what? They were right, and we were wrong.<br /><br />The war only became a war to " liberate" Iraq once we found out that the other reasons we used for it were incorrect.<br /><br />It amazes me that we are so arrogant that we wish to punish those that were correct all along, just for not agreeing with us in a position that was proven wrong.<br /><br />We had an opportunity to invite the rest of the world in, share in the spoils, and show some sense of diplomacy and show the world that maybe this wasn't simply about conquest and occupation--that maybe we really had the best interests of the Iraqis at heart with a truly international effort.<br /><br />Once again we snub our noses at the rest of the world, when we need the full support and cooperation of the rest of the world to truly fight terrorism and win.<br /><br />Once again, we tell the world--"Our way or the highway" The arrogance just astonishes me.<br /><br />In this global world and the global economy, do you really think we can "go it alone" successfully? Get real!

 

[Toad2001]

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Personally I think that was a great post plywoody.<br /><br />One other point, (and I could care less if Canada gets one cent in rebuilding contracts in Iraq BTW), the US is trying to get the Iraq debt written off right now to stabilize the economy for a new government platform. Can't remember the exact figure, but right now, its something like $300 Billion. The majority owed to France and Russia. What do you think the odds are France and Russia will forgive the debt if they are left out of the rebuilding contract process?

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Same stuff said, just different thread is all.<br />I think it was CC&P myself.

 

[neumanns]

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Mattt...Good post, serious question, my best guess. This is a very complex issue to say the least with many paramiter I do not understand. However It is my guess that it is our taxes that will do the majority of the rebuilding so yes I would think we should be entitiled to determine how this money gets spent. I primarily agree with there stance on this one however also feel they may have been a little premature in not allowing some countries that have been fairly friendly not participate in the bidding.<br /><br />The rebuilding of Iraq will be a expensive proposition, and anyone who is willing to fund it should certianly be allowed the oppertunity to recoup some of the money they have layed out. However all this talk about the spoils of war ought to reconsider that this will be far from a financial gain on a overall scale. Yes certian people will profit handsomley but on a hole the return percentage per doller spent to the econimies where the money came from will be small. Put in simpeler terms I believe no country would buy into the rebuild soley for the return of bid status:<br /><br />To make a one word sumation of the question it would have to be Yes, if only it were that simple.<br /><br />P.s. I really believe you started a good thread to bad it deteriated to what it has.