D/C Oil Tank on 88' 90hp Johnson VRO?

OLEMAN

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Several people have reccomended that I plug the oil line at the fuel line connection at the motor and go to premixed fuel. <br />1. What advantage or risk is involved with such action? <br />2. Just plug the line and remove the oil tank? :(
 

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Re: D/C Oil Tank on 88' 90hp Johnson VRO?

Hi Olman,<br /> There isn't any problem with disconnecting the VRO if that's what you want to do. Just make sure that you add approx. 3oz. of oil for each gallon of gas that you put in the tank. Yes the oil line should capped at the fuel connection,and you will have to disconnect the tan lead from the VRO tank and the VRO pump else the warning horn will sound off.<br /> Hope this helps
 

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Re: D/C Oil Tank on 88' 90hp Johnson VRO?

Hi Olman,<br />It's alright to disconnect the VRO if that's what you want to do. Yes you should cap the oil inlet at the fuel connection. Don't forget to add approx. 3oz. of oil for each gallon of fuel that you put in the gas tank. By the way don't forget to disconnect the tan leads from the VRO,and the oil tank, else the horn will sound off.<br />Hope this helps
 

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Re: D/C Oil Tank on 88' 90hp Johnson VRO?

Many people are "afraid" that a malfunctioning VRO is going to "blow" their outboards powerhead. This is primarily due to untrained, uneducated "mechanics" (I use the term loosly) and "parts-swappers" who are too lazy to figure out why things fail.<br /><br />The VRO/OMS pumps are a relatively simple device. The pump has 3 sections: an air motor, in which a diaphragm, driven by crankcase pressure and vacuum pulses operates the other 2 sections. A diaphragm type fuel pump and a piston style oil pump. Basically fuel and oil are drawn from their respective tanks in your boat and mixed in an internal chamber of the pump. Mixed fuel and oil is sent to all carburetors - the unit cannot selectively oil or not oil an individual cylinder. Its all, or none at all.<br /><br />Now with that said: Can one of these pumps fail? Yes, its a mechanical device assembled by a human. Mechanical devices and the rubber components inside this one can break down over time. And the assembling human can put it together wrong - usually it will fail quickly if misassembled. <br /><br />Now, the most common failure of one of these guys is the air motor diaphragm. But when it fails, the pump doesn't work - period. That means it don't pump gas or oil, the motor doesn't run and a motor that can't run, can't "blow". OK, what about the other portions of the pump? If the fuel diaphragm fails, again the motor ain't goin' no-where. If the the oil piston fails, there is a "no-oil" alarm (in-fact, it's still the ONLY oiling system with a "no oil delivery" alarm). Can it AND the alarm system fail? Yes, BUT, it is EXTREMELY rare.<br /><br />I had a good customer come into our shop a couple years back with his "blown" 150 Fastrike. He's mad as hell when he pulls up. It took me awhile to calm him down and get his story - He's got the family and friends from out of town out in his boat. Nice beautiful day, runnin' along at 4-grand. All of a sudden, the engine looses power and locks up, no bells, no wistles, no alarms. Won't even turn over. Back to the ramp with the electric motor. Hand loads on the trailer, week-end ruined. Stops by the local "mechanic" at the lake. Wonder-boy has a look - "Yup" he says "its locked up, let me pull the cylinder heads..." A few minutes later he says "Looky here, all 6 cylinder deeply scored. Your VRO failed." <br /><br />Well, I go out and have a look. Sure enough all 6 are toast. Pull the drain screw out of one of the carbs and find gas & water. Hmmm. Pull the oil supply hose, looky HERE water. Hmmmm. Go look in the boat and pull out the oil reservoir - an inch and a half of water in the bottom. BTW, I tested the pump it STILL worked.<br /><br />The bottom line: Oil injection is a nice convenience. But like anything else, it needs periodic maintenance IF you expect to get a long service life out of it.<br /><br />Should you remove it? That's entirely up to you, but it involves a little more than just plugging the oil line and removing the tank. You also have to disconnect the alarm system wires, or you're going to get a rash of false alarm warnings.<br /><br />Sorry to be so long winded, hope this info helps.<br /><br />-John
 

Dhadley

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Re: D/C Oil Tank on 88' 90hp Johnson VRO?

AMEN John! Well put!<br /><br />I hope everybody takes the time to read that.<br /><br />Thanks for taking the time!
 

OLEMAN

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Re: D/C Oil Tank on 88' 90hp Johnson VRO?

Thanks to all who replied.<br /> The tank was out in the open on deck and exposed to rain and splash from transom. Rather than relocate tank to console I've elected to do away with it. It gives me more deck space and no oil contamination worries. I've been mixing the fuel for my 77' 35Hp so mixing the fuel for the 88' 90Hp is no big deal. It's a 77' Boston Whaler 17 footer with a 88' 90Hp Johnson. Everything including fuel tanks are above deck and get wet.<br /><br />Thanks again.
 
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Re: D/C Oil Tank on 88' 90hp Johnson VRO?

OLEMAN,<br /><br />The last 17' Montauk I refurbished, I put the oil tank inside the seat behind the center console. It kept it dry and completely out of the way.<br /><br />Just something to consider.<br /><br />John from Illinois. Thank you for that story and explanation of the VRO pump. People have to realize that these things are not maintenance free. But, they sure are a GREAT convenience!
 

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Re: D/C Oil Tank on 88' 90hp Johnson VRO?

Again thanks for quality description of VRO system. I couldnt avoid thinking of all the scooters, mopeds, snowscooters millions of vehicles - all equipped with some kind of oilmixers. I never heard of any specific problems with that. <br /><br />My question is: besides to checking there is oilconsumption, compared to gas, and testing alarm system ( done how, by the way ), using fresh syntetic oil and draining any water from tank and lines, what is proper service to VRO systems, in special when motor gets > 10 yrs ?
 
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