Do bronze propellers get "brittle"?

IllesheimVet

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Neighbor has a 44' power catamaran with twin bronze props. He pulled the boat out to re-paint the bottom and the boatyard says the props have gotten "Brittle" and this is caused by electrolysis and they need to be replaced. Can someone explain this further? These props are 10 years old.
 

Slip Away

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Re: Do bronze propellers get "brittle"?

Electrolysis will pull the zinc out of the bronze leaving the prop (or other bronze surface)brittle.
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: Do bronze propellers get "brittle"?

A little elementary metallurgy here: Most BRASS is primarily copper and zinc alloy with other trace metals added to modify basic properties--like free machining, casting, etc.

Most BRONZE is an alloy of copper and TIN with other metals added in trace amounts to modify properties such as casting etc. Propellers are made of BRONZE, not brass simply because as stated above, water will set up a galvanic reaction within the metal and the zinc will simply go away as a sacrificial anode to the copper, eventually weakening the prop to the point of failure. Tin, being closer to copper in electrical valence will not set up so great a reaction.

Naval Bronze is another alloy with (I think) Monel metal and other alloys in it to make it more corrosion resistant than regular Bronze.

Embrittlement is a completely different process not related to corrosion. The marina has it wrong, but is probably correct in that the propellers need to be replaced: Bronze will over time corrode, not as quickly nor as completely as brass and yes, the bronze can with age and use become embrittled and cracked. So in either case, they still would need to be replaced.

As an aside, one of the reasons the Titanic sank was because her substandard quality steel plates became embrittled in the cold north Atlantic water. Yes, Embrittlement of metals is a well known metallurgical process.
 

fishrdan

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Re: Do bronze propellers get "brittle"?

A little elementary metallurgy here:

As an aside, one of the reasons the Titanic sank was because...

Cool, I learned something new today! :D

Question about the Titanic, did the steel fail because of the cold water or because of a reaction with saltwater,,, or both?
 

82rude

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Re: Do bronze propellers get "brittle"?

the titanic was made of iron not steel plates.read this link for some interesting reading.some point to the rivites poping when she hit for the reason she sank.the iron of the time was top notch but was also of high sufur content.iron though is not steel plating which is the next evolution in shipbuilding later on. http://www.titanic-facts.com/titanic-construction.htmlim certianly no expert in shipbuilding but worked in steelmaking for 35 years and worked for the company that made the armor plate steel for the u.s. humvees(uparmored).was involved in all aspectes to a certian point.we were very proud of that steel and of the lives it saved.
 

boatpoker

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Re: Do bronze propellers get "brittle"?

You'd be hard pressed to find a real "bronze" propeller. The major difference between bronze and brass is zinc content.
Most "bronze" propellers are made of "manganese bronze" which contains about 35 % zince which puts it squarely in the "brass family".

There is an infinite number of metal alloys available and you cannot trust the marketing names such as "naval brass" or "mangaese bronze". You must dig a little deeper into the alloy composition.
 

jimbo_jwc

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Re: Do bronze propellers get "brittle"?

Do you think it could have work hardened with age ?
 
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