Does it matter if #3 coil is connected to red wire instead of orange on module?

scottcooper

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I have a 1983 85 hp Force and was troubleshooting a no fire issue on #1 cylinder and found it was simply a loose connector from module to coil :) However, I noticed the wiring wasn't correct in that the #2 module's orange wire is supposed to be connected to #3 cylinder coil but instead it's connected to Red. I'm sure you know this but, 1 module fires cylinders 1 and 2; 2nd module fires #3 cylinder with red wire supposed to be unplugged/taped off. I connected the #3 coil to the orange wire and get no spark. My question is, is it ok that the #3 coil is connected to the red wire instead of the orange on the module or is that causing the plug to fire at the wrong time? It seems logical to me when I think of a car that it's affecting the firing order but I'm no all that understanding of how this ignition system works exactly. Any insight is appreciated. Thanks
 

jerryjerry05

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Sounds like someone had a no spark situation and already changed the wiring around.
The packs are divided into 2 parts.
Each fires 2 cyl. You can use the unused lead on a 3 cyl if you change the wiring.
 

Frank Acampora

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You can not simply unplug one wire and plug in the other. As jerry said, the CD box is divided into two parts. SO: To use the other half, you must switch the trigger wires and you must also change the power supply wire to the other side. If your Force is 83 (which I doubt because Chrysler did not sell until 84) and if it is white, it should have quick-connect electricals so unless you start cutting and splicing wires you can not easily switch. NOW: if the previous owner has already upgraded to the terminal strip connections, then it becomes easy to swap box sides.

Since the trigger controls timing, it doesn't matter which side of the box is used. The plug will fire in correct order as long as trigger wires are correctly attached.
 

scottcooper

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So is the trigger specific to this 3 cylinder engine, or was it also used on 4 cylinder engines? I guess my line of thinking was that the other lead (and they are quick-connect) would be for a 4th cylinder and if my #3 cylinder was connected to it it would be firing either early or late. If the trigger is only for 3 cylinders then I would imagine someone swapped wires at the trigger to use the other side of the pack.
On a side note: The cowl, which appeared to be original to the motor before I completely repainted and decaled, said Force...I think I might have some old pictures of it on my pc somewhere. The starter is labeled with a Chrysler decal. The model number is 856X3L and the metal tag does say Chrysler. Is it possible this engine was already assembled by Chrysler in 83 and went out the door in 84 with Force Decals? I guess the only other explanation would be someone changed the cowl.

And thanks much for the quick replies. You guys and this forum are awesome.
 

jerryjerry05

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The packs are interchangeable.
The stator is too. Not the trigger.
The packs leads can be switched at the coils and trigger.
Your year has the plug and go end on your equipment.(hate it)
The Chrysler/ Force name on parts is the same.
The parts(cowl) could be changed??? Who knows??
 
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