Don't buy into claims that politicians create jobs

NathanY

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My wife sent me this from her work.<br />---------------------------------------------------<br /><br />Don't buy into claims that politicians create jobs <br /><br />JOHN TORINUS <br />8 August 2004<br />The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel<br /><br />Let's agree that business people create jobs, and lose them, not politicians. <br /><br />Sure, the political, legal and education systems support job growth. And business can be stifled with punitive tax and regulatory environments. <br /><br />But job growth revolves more around interest rates, world events, entrepreneurs or where Wal-Mart makes its purchases than around presidential policies. So when our two presidential candidates stump through this pivotal state, put a big discount on how much leverage they have on job growth. <br /><br />That said, business does have a stake in what President Bush and Sen. John Kerry are promising on the stump. So how does it stack up? <br /><br />Free-traders, both <br /><br />On trade, no executive I know is taking rhetoric about more restrictive trade policies seriously. They are assuming that globalization will continue pretty much unabated, and they are positioning their companies to seize the opportunities abroad or cope with the challenges. <br /><br />Bush's political payoff to the U.S. steel industry by raising tariffs backfired. It cost him more votes in steel-using, delegate- critical states such as Wisconsin than he gained. So he backed off. He's essentially a free-trader who thinks American industry can adapt and compete. <br /><br />Despite Kerry's rhetoric about penalties for companies that send work overseas and incentives for those that don't, he is mostly a free-trader, too. <br /><br />The hard truth is that the enormous savings of outsourcing some jobs greatly outweighs any incentives or disincentives that government could mount to slow the trend. <br /><br />Kerry's populist statements about "Benedict Arnold CEOs" who move jobs to other countries was fodder for the Democratic primary. Post- primary, predictably, he has moved toward the center, a la Clinton, and that phrase has disappeared from his speeches. <br /><br />No deficit hawks <br /><br />On the tax front, there are pluses and minuses for business with the two candidates. Kerry is promising a reduction in the corporate tax rate to 33.5% from 35%, but he hasn't been making a big deal about it on the stump. You have to wonder about the depth of his conviction. <br /><br />What he's talking about loudest is raising the taxes on Americans with incomes of more than $200,000 a year. Remember, though, that more than half of small companies are S corporations or limited liability corporations, meaning that higher personal rates on top earners are essentially higher business taxes. <br /><br />Bush wants to make his tax cuts permanent, including those in high-income brackets. That also includes reductions in inheritance taxes that he wants to make permanent. <br /><br />Kerry would pay for a whole variety of goodies with his increase on fat cats. Problem is, it doesn't compute. <br /><br />To illustrate, let's take the City of West Bend, with about 30,000 people. An estimate is that about 50 households have incomes over $200,000. Let's say you raise them five points. That would yield $500,000 in new taxes. Contrast that with Kerry's ambitious social goals. <br /><br />For instance, he wants to cut by half the number of people without health insurance. In Wisconsin, about 8% of the population is uninsured. Half of that percentage of West Bend's population would be 1,200 uncovered people. Average cost in the private sector for medical coverage is about $3,000 per person. So his extended coverage would cost an additional $3.6 million. Obviously, soaking the rich for $500,000 doesn't even dent that bill. <br /><br />About a third of the population at the low end of the earnings scale escapes income taxes already. Reality is that if you want to raise major dough for social programs, it's got to come from the great number of earners in the middle class. Every tax expert knows that, including Kerry's. <br /><br />Yet Kerry proposed additional tax cuts for the middle class. It just doesn't add up. <br /><br />His social platform doesn't work without additional deficit spending -- beyond the record deficits that President Bush has already wreaked on the economy. <br /><br />Neither sounds like a deficit hawk to me. <br /><br />So what to make of this mishmash? <br /><br />Most businesses pay little attention to the campaign rhetoric when making their business plans. They know their destinies have more to do with their own strategies and execution than with anything said on the stump. <br /><br />One Wisconsin executive said he is hoping for gridlock so neither party can advance programs detrimental to the economy. <br /><br />John Torinus is chief executive officer of Serigraph Inc. of West Bend. Contact him at jbt1@serigraph.com.
 

rodbolt

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Re: Don't buy into claims that politicians create jobs

dude<br /> politicians do create jobs. just look at all the oil field jobs bubba w has created in the afghanistan pipeline area.the only problem is a lot of the jobs are menial ones. most manufacturing plants are being built by US companies but outside the states.its terrible when I see so many parts boxes with made in mexico or made in chian on them. seems merc and BOMB moved quietly overseas.<br /> good luck and keep posting
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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Re: Don't buy into claims that politicians create jobs

Sure they produce jobs in the US. There is more media monsters now than ever before. There is more of them to dig dirt, but with larger shovels than before.
 

snapperbait

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"most manufacturing plants are being built by US companies but outside the states.its terrible when I see so many parts boxes with made in mexico or made in chian on them."<br /><br />Darn right!
 

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Re: Don't buy into claims that politicians create jobs

I'm aware of this too. Just as the claims that "Bush (or whoever you are talking about in the sentence)destroyed the economy". The ties are not thatv intamate. Sure, policies set directions in motion, but those directions are not set in stone,and often can go iether way.
 

POINTER94

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Re: Don't buy into claims that politicians create jobs

Simple math that proves creeping socialism. The buying of votes for the past 50 years has taken its toll on our economy. The problem is people vote for who will "give" them the most today. This selfish approach to government will be our downfall. In debt: STOP SPENDING MONEY. Keep it simple stupid.
 

samagee

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Re: Don't buy into claims that politicians create jobs

The reason those manufactoring plants are going over seas is because they can't open one here in the U.S.. Those greenpeace nuts won't let them. Then if they manage to get one opened, the mofia (a.k.a. union) soaks em for the rest of the money.
 

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What I can't understand about politicians is this. Back when our framers of the constitution, all involved had regular jobs. At least that is what I have learned from school years ago. I would think that during the earlier years of putting our constitution together would have been a full time job. However they managed to achieve their goals.<br /><br />Now in todays time, they are full time politicians. Or are they? How much do they really put their time to our needs? Would they still be a politician if it only paid a small wage? If you ask me, they don't earn the money they get paid.<br /><br />Earlier years, politicians were mostly people of our own piers consisting of different trades.<br /><br />Now just about all of them come from one profession. The Bill of Rights says WE THE PEOPLE, not WE THE ATTORNEYS!<br /><br />They don't create jobs, they just want to take credit for it if they are created. If jobs are lost, they are the first ones to blame it on someone or something else.<br /><br />Sorry, I just don't trust any of them....
 

wilkin250r

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Re: Don't buy into claims that politicians create jobs

Samagee nailed it on the head. It is so incredibly expensive to open a new plant in the US, or even to keep an existing plant running. Labor rates are high, materials cost is high, all this drives the price of the final product high.<br /><br />Sure, for consumer goods, a label on the box "Proudly made in the U.S.A." might make somebody buy a more expensive product out of patriotic pride, but not likely. Why do people shop at Wal-Mart instead of the local Mom & Pop shop? Lower prices.<br /><br />To say that the President "lets" companies go overseas is ridiculous. It is US, the American public, that force companies to go overseas. We buy the lowest price. For many companies, the choice is simple. Either go overseas to reduce costs, or go out of business.
 
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