Drilling a 4 lug rim to 5 lug....

jtrom

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I know this isn't the correct way, just wondering if it couild be done. I have 5 lug wheels on my trailer and need a spare. The boat and trailer are small and weigh < 1000 pounds total. Anyway, I have a bunch of 4 lug pattern rims and tires that are the same size as my current trailer wheels. Could I redrill to a 5 lug bolt pattern on the 4 lug rims??...Remember this is a spare...just enough to get me home....
 

RogersJetboat454

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Re: Drilling a 4 lug rim to 5 lug....

IMHO no.
First off, unless you can make up a jig to properly drill the lug holes, you are going to need to locate a place to do it.
Secondly, lug holes are tapered to hold the lug in place. You are not going to be able to make a tapered hole like you need.
Third, mounted (tire and rim) trailer tires are dirt cheap at places like Wal-Mart. For fairly short money, you can get a SAFE spare tire that's not going to leave you on the side of the road AGAIN, or even worse cause any sort of accident. Just not worth it.
 

UncleWillie

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Re: Drilling a 4 lug rim to 5 lug....

Sell your 4 lug wheels on CL for $15 Each.
Use the money to buy a new 5 lug wheel. :)

Trailer wheels are stressed very close to the limits.
Drilling extra holes will give you a wheel that may NOT have "Just enough to get you home!" :eek:

It was a good thought, but a bad idea.:D
 

Scott Danforth

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Re: Drilling a 4 lug rim to 5 lug....

you can not get 4-lug pattern to clear a 5-lug pattern without turning your wheels to swiss cheese. then the rim will fail. plus you have the lug bosses, etc. as mentioned

as stated, sell them, and buy the right tire and wheel.
 

Silvertip

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Re: Drilling a 4 lug rim to 5 lug....

Let's put it this way --- If I saw this rig at a ramp I would immediately call the local law enforcement and have them waiting for you. Sorry if I'm perceived as a jerk but I've seen too much disregard for safety. I once saw a home made trailer at a home improvement store with wheel barrow tires on it. You guessed it. I turned him in and waited for the dude to depart. He had no idea whatsoever that this was not a good idea. Cops made him haul the trailer away -- on a proper trailer.
 

spdracr39

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Re: Drilling a 4 lug rim to 5 lug....

They do make universal wheels that have like ten holes and will fit most bolt patterns but they are made for this purpose and are strengthened accordingly. Don't try this at home.
 

jtrom

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Re: Drilling a 4 lug rim to 5 lug....

Let's put it this way --- If I saw this rig at a ramp I would immediately call the local law enforcement and have them waiting for you. Sorry if I'm perceived as a jerk but I've seen too much disregard for safety. I once saw a home made trailer at a home improvement store with wheel barrow tires on it. You guessed it. I turned him in and waited for the dude to depart. He had no idea whatsoever that this was not a good idea. Cops made him haul the trailer away -- on a proper trailer.

How could you get in trouble for having a wheel like that mounted as a spare????....it is not even being used....I don't think the cop could do anything unless It was actually being used....
 

oldjeep

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Re: Drilling a 4 lug rim to 5 lug....

How could you get in trouble for having a wheel like that mounted as a spare????....it is not even being used....I don't think the cop could do anything unless It was actually being used....

What would be the point of having a completely screwed up rim as a spare?
 

jtrom

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Re: Drilling a 4 lug rim to 5 lug....

What would be the point of having a completely screwed up rim as a spare?

no point....just saying what could the cops do if I did????
 

ricohman

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Re: Drilling a 4 lug rim to 5 lug....

The police won't do anything if its kept as a spare. Neither will the highway safety guys we have out here.
But whoever has something like this bolted to their trailer looks like a fool.
 

UncleWillie

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Re: Drilling a 4 lug rim to 5 lug....

...Remember this is a spare...just enough to get me home....

How could you get in trouble for having a wheel like that mounted as a spare????....it is not even being used....I don't think the cop could do anything unless It was actually being used....

It is only a spare when it is not being used.
Once you need it and mount it, it becomes a primary tire!
If you truly have no intentions of ever using it, and just like the looks of carrying a spare, just leave it with five holes.
When you drill it, you are not converting the wheel from a 4 hole rim to a 5.
You are converting it to an 8 hole non-symmetrical rim.
 

jtrom

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Re: Drilling a 4 lug rim to 5 lug....

I will bite the bullet and buy a spare....it was just an idea I threw out there, unsafe for sure.
 

UncleWillie

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Re: Drilling a 4 lug rim to 5 lug....

I will bite the bullet and buy a spare....it was just an idea I threw out there, unsafe for sure.

You knew it was a bad idea from the start.

I know this isn't the correct way, just wondering if it could be done. ,...Remember this is a spare...just enough to get me home....

Glad to see you have come to the correct decision.
I still like your thought process!

...It was a good thought, but a bad idea.:D
 

catfishcarl99

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Re: Drilling a 4 lug rim to 5 lug....

yep. unanimous. bad idea. $80 or less at walmart for rim and tire. aith worth it. an unbalanced tire could explode and cause damage to trailer boat and or cause a serious accident.
 

loose rivet

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Re: Drilling a 4 lug rim to 5 lug....

Let's put it this way --- If I saw this rig at a ramp I would immediately call the local law enforcement and have them waiting for you. Sorry if I'm perceived as a jerk but I've seen too much disregard for safety. I once saw a home made trailer at a home improvement store with wheel barrow tires on it. You guessed it. I turned him in and waited for the dude to depart. He had no idea whatsoever that this was not a good idea. Cops made him haul the trailer away -- on a proper trailer.

I guess using wheel barrel tires isn't all that uncommon? About ten years ago a neighbor sold an old steel row boat that sat on a homemade wood framed trailer. The guy took 3x5" oak timbers from an old barn, built a frame using all thread rod bolted on a wood tongue, basically just a metal tab with a hole in it on the end of a length of wood. For wheels he had two wheel barrel wheels on a 5/8" shaft that was held to the bottom of the wood frame with two steel straps and lag bolts. He used the rig to launch the boat in his own back yard for years, when he sold it, (In PA), the buyer left out of his driveway with it in tow with WV tags. My neighbor told me he warned the guy that the wheels weren't made for road use, but he towed it anyway, and made it back to someplace in WV from Northeastern PA.

I went to look at a small tinny last week, the guy said he's selling it because the trailer won't move anymore. I got the whole thing for $100. The boat was fine, the trailer had been towed for about 20 miles with no tires on the rims, the one rim was down to the hub, the other had no bead left. The axle had sheered off the springs and slid back into the frame on one side.
The guy told me that since I didn't live far, and since the trailer was probably junk, I should just drag it home and scrap the trailer.
He was dead serious.
There was no way I would ever consider just dragging a trailer down the highway with basically no wheels, let alone with no tires. But to him it was no big deal. I looked at another boat he had there and the trailer tongue was cut off, smashed flat and held on his step bumper with a 1/2" bolt dropped through the hole. No lights, no tags, and two different size tires.

I brought the 14' boat I bought from him home on a car trailer.
Listed the bent, rusty, no axle wreck of a trailer on CL for sale for best offer.
The first guy that showed up gave me $350.
The boat needed nothing but cleaning and some new transom wood.

You cannot just drill lug holes, they are stamped and reinforced for lateral strength, besides, there's not enough room anyhow to re-drill a 4"x4 to a 5.5"x5 lug pattern. It won't work, it will never be safe, and is a waste of time to try.
New rims are cheap, far cheaper than a wrecked trailer or tow bill.
 

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Re: Drilling a 4 lug rim to 5 lug....

I'm going to be the one who says it...because it needs to be said. If a person cannot afford to replace safety items on their rig (boat, trailer, tow vehicle) they should not participate in the hobby. This statement can be made about ANY activity that requires a fair amount of disposable income. It is of particular importance when we are discussing the deliberate disregard for the safety of other families that share our roads and waterways.

I am grateful that the OP had the sense to ask for opinions, and is now thinking clearly. This rant is not directed at him personally.

I am just sick of reading story after story on the news every summer about people (kids especially) being maimed and killed by utter morons! If we (the pleasure boating community) do not start acting like we have our heads on straight; the gooberment is going to see to it that you really CAN'T afford to participate anymore, through ever increasing regulation. Come on folks...why do you think commercial trucking and airlines are so overly regulated? When people are injured or killed due to another's negligence, lawsuits are filed, big insurance payoffs are awarded and congressmen introduce new legislation on behalf of grieving parents and spouses.

Just give it time, another ten years of on-the-water deaths and all boat operators will be required to be 18 or 21 years old, have a special endorsement on their drivers license, and be required to take mandatory classes before receiving said endorsement. Plus we will be required to purchase and maintain liability insurance on each vessel owned for medical coverage of each passenger and damages to other craft. Oh, and let's not forget annual inspections of our trailers, and roadside or rampside inspections as well. Think it can't happen? Ask somebody old enough to remember what our country was like when none of what I've just said was even a topic for consideration! (freedom)

So for those who are still with me...do you think boating is too expensive? If so, get a canoe. Rant over.

My apologies in advance to those who are thin skinned or easily offended.

Good day!
 

bruceb58

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Re: Drilling a 4 lug rim to 5 lug....

Plus we will be required to purchase and maintain liability insurance on each vessel owned for medical coverage of each passenger and damages to other craft
This should be required to have already.
 

bigdee

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Re: Drilling a 4 lug rim to 5 lug....

I I have a bunch of 4 lug pattern rims and tires that are the same size as my current trailer wheels. .

If you have all those 4 bolt rims and tires why not change the hubs?
 

loose rivet

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Re: Drilling a 4 lug rim to 5 lug....

I thought every state had adopted some degree of boater education as a mandatory must have.
In NJ, you need an endorsement on you license to run a powered boat in fresh or non-tidal water, but not in saltwater.
In other words, you need a boat license to run a 10' jon boat with an electric motor, but not a 42' cabin cruiser in the lower river, bay, or ocean. (The same guy that can't handle backing his 10' long jon boat down the ramp to the water without causing a scene at the ramp, can get behind the controls of a rather large ocean going vessel with nothing more than a Coast Guard safety course. Skill in handling the vessel is not tested. They're more interested in having you know what the lines and parts of a sail boat are called, or how many drinks make you drunk than about whether or not you can handle the twin engine yacht you just bought off CL for cheap.
 

theBrownskull

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Re: Drilling a 4 lug rim to 5 lug....

In reference to the rim. I would not drill a hole.

It could be illegal to have as a spare it depends upon the state law regarding mechanical condition. Some states require spares to be in good working mechanical condition even if they are not in use. Check your state laws.
 
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