eBay customs charges to Canada

mscher

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I have sold eBay items to other countries with no problems, until now.

I sold a garden tractor gas tank to an eBay bidder in Canada. Did not realize that there would be customs charges, until the item was ready to ship. The shipper mentions that if there were customs charges and the consignee did not pay them, the the shipper is liable for the charges.

The winning bidder then agreed to pay any of the charges, after the fact, but sure enough, has blown off paying or even returning FedEx's calls.

I will likely end up paying the charges ($22), but need to figure out how to determine customs charges in advance, if possible and invoice a winning bidder accordingly.

Otherwise, no to Canada.
 

WizeOne

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I thought Canadians had to pay before they could accept the package? And btw, what happened to NAFTA?

Anyway, I'll be curious to see what happens on that score. I'm really quite sure that tax is their VAT tax that they would pay if they bought something locally.

What, is the Canadian Government going to bill you? I wouldn't pay it if they do. What are they going to do, go down to the American Consulate and get you thrown into debtor's prison?

A Canadian Vendor/shipper is responsible to collect and remit their sales tax (VAT?) but I really doubt they can make you responsible. It should be up to them to construct a system that makes the receiver pay. All, of course, IMHO.
 

QC

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Re: eBay customs charges to Canada

I am pretty sure that's ^^^^ not gonna be FedEx's opinion . . . ;)
 

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I always shipped USPS (ost office) to Canada and just filled out a customs form.

Beyond making out that form..... you as the shipper have no more responsibilty
 

WizeOne

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I am pretty sure that's ^^^^ not gonna be FedEx's opinion . . . ;)

So, what? Does the Canadian Gov't try to collect from FedEx? If so, why doen't FedEx collect the tax before they let the consumer have the package? Why doesn't the Canadian Government harrass the consumer before they go after the carrier?

Also, how will FedEx go after the shipper unless he has an account.
 

Bigprairie1

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Anything I've bought out of the U.S I've always assumed the import related tax. Your buyer knows this too...unless he is playing stupid and thinking that you should absorb it.
I definitely wouldn't pay it if I were you. Can you cancel the deal? I always ask about shipping to Canada with full understanding that once it hits the border its my problem.
Second, I always, always ask for it to be sent by USPS...never Fedex or UPS. These organizations soak the cross border business with brokerage fees, etc, etc. When it goes USPS, which is slower, it transfers over to Canada Post which is not as interested in heavy upcharges for broker based stuff....much cheaper, much easier...and again, just a little longer to get there.:) They only really target big ticket cross border stuff..rarely the lesser stuff under $50 or so. I think it simply doesn't pay for them to putz around with the smaller stuff.
I think your buyer was watching the U.S shipping costs often listed in the sale and 'hoped' he could sneak under the same shipping radar. I'd ask him to pay it himself or the deal will be cancelled.;)
Just my Two bits....good luck and keep us posted on his response.
BP:cool:
 

QC

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So, what? Does the Canadian Gov't try to collect from FedEx? If so, why doen't FedEx collect the tax before they let the consumer have the package? Why doesn't the Canadian Government harrass the consumer before they go after the carrier?

Also, how will FedEx go after the shipper unless he has an account.
I assumed that mscher was the shipper . . . not trying to be a problem, WO, just thought they would probably try and bill him.
 

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There are a number of actual tariffs/taxes that could be in play, but if it is specifically customs duty that is being assessed, that would imply that the item is not actually of North American origin, otherwise as pointed out already, it would be duty free under NAFTA.
Beyond that, there is a Federal tax and possibly a Provincial Tax that would be collectable from the end purchaser....sometimes it gets missed, sometimes it doesn't. I have never really understood why I get billed sometimes and other times i don't, for similar types of items.
My guess is that under a certain value they don't chase too hard.
 

WizeOne

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I assumed that mscher was the shipper . . . not trying to be a problem, WO, just thought they would probably try and bill him.

He was QC.

Here's my glossary::p

mscher= shipper
FedEx= carrier
Jerk in Canada=consumer
 

mscher

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Re: eBay customs charges to Canada

He was QC.

Here's my glossary::p

mscher= shipper
FedEx= carrier
Jerk in Canada=consumer

Close.

Actually, I went through a local Mom-and Pop "We ship it" store.

Apparently, FedEx Canada probably just dropped it the customer's door.

They now claim that they get no response from the customer and want the Mom-and-Pop to pay the customs charges, or they will shut off FedEx service to them.

Stay tuned....

BTW, the item shipped was about $50.
 

WizeOne

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Close.

Actually, I went through a local Mom-and Pop "We ship it" store.

Apparently, FedEx Canada probably just dropped it the customer's door.

They now claim that they get no response from the customer and want the Mom-and-Pop to pay the customs charges, or they will shut off FedEx service to them.

Stay tuned....

BTW, the item shipped was about $50.

Did FedEx require any international paper work to be filled out? It's tough when an innocent third party gets in the middle but 'Ma and Pop' out to know the ins and outs of these kinds of shipments. After all it is not like you were trying to ship to Timbuktu.

I'd really like to know the reality of this matter. There is just no reasonable way that the Canadian Government can hold the carrier liable unless they were required to provide declaratory paper work and did not.

I suppose FedEx can do anything they want to with their representatives but unless they also were required to do something that they failed to do, then FedEx can go pound a....well, whatever!
 

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Did FedEx require any international paper work to be filled out? It's tough when an innocent third party gets in the middle but 'Ma and Pop' out to know the ins and outs of these kinds of shipments. After all it is not like you were trying to ship to Timbuktu.

I'd really like to know the reality of this matter. There is just no reasonable way that the Canadian Government can hold the carrier liable unless they were required to provide declaratory paper work and did not.

I suppose FedEx can do anything they want to with their representatives but unless they also were required to do something that they failed to do, then FedEx can go pound a....well, whatever!

The lady at the ship-it store is quite knowledgable, knowing what customs forms needed to be completed. She even stated about the possible customs charges, but said that there is/was no way to determine even if there would be charges and how much they would be, or how to prepay them, for that matter. She just attached the standard Canadian customs declaration form.

The reason she mentioned this, was that she got stung before when someone shipped aluminum wheels, that had tires mounted. Apparently, it is considered "dumping" tires, to ship them to Canada. Anyway, she was tasked with paying the customs charges, after the fact. I guess the shipping agent is the easiest to go after, since the shipper and consignee are long gone.

One would think that FedEx and the rest of the carriers, would encounter this daily and handle it differently than they do.
 

tallcanadian

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i agree with bigprairie. usps is the way to ship to canada. the others are way overboard with charges. i've bought many items from ebay in the states and have never been charged any extra. but a friend of mine bought one item and was hit big time. not sure what happened there. now from bps there are charges but very minimal. shipping costs which are next to nothing, duty, taxes, are all very minimal. i think the biggest hit is the exchange rate, especially at this time. lol. you should state in your ebay ads that any additional charges are the buyers responsibility.
 

WizeOne

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The lady at the ship-it store is quite knowledgable, knowing what customs forms needed to be completed. She even stated about the possible customs charges, but said that there is/was no way to determine even if there would be charges and how much they would be, or how to prepay them, for that matter. She just attached the standard Canadian customs declaration form.

The reason she mentioned this, was that she got stung before when someone shipped aluminum wheels, that had tires mounted. Apparently, it is considered "dumping" tires, to ship them to Canada. Anyway, she was tasked with paying the customs charges, after the fact. I guess the shipping agent is the easiest to go after, since the shipper and consignee are long gone.

One would think that FedEx and the rest of the carriers, would encounter this daily and handle it differently than they do.

All that being said, I'm surprised that Ma and Pop will even accept shipments to Canada.

I wonder if the Canadian Govt. goes after the USPS if taxes/duties are not paid?
 

tallcanadian

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i don't think they go after usps. i do believe that they add the extra charges on to the parcel. if the buyer doesn't pay he don't get the parcel. i ordered some truck parts from lmc in the u.s. i was offered a choice in carriers to deliver. either ups or usps. now ups added the duty, etc in the cost of the freight, but it was 40 dollars more than usps. so i took a chance on usps and when i got the freight a week later, i had to pay only 18 dollars extra when they delivered the freight.

i do believe that it's what you buy determines the duties. for example, just about everything i have bought on ebay has been used, and i never had to pay any duty. bps include all the extras in their total shipment costs.

the biggest order i have received from the u.s were the four boat seats i ordered from bps. by the time i added in the exchange rate and duties, shipping, etc, the seats only cost me 50.00 each. the cheapest i have found a seat even close to that here cost 65.00. so i shop in the u.s from the comfort of my computer chair.. lol.

in the spring i will be buying a cmc power trim unit. then i will see the shipping and duties go up, mostly because of the weight of the thing.
 

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Re: eBay customs charges to Canada

I know it can definitely be a problem for both the shipper and the buyer!

I do a lot of buying from the US. and most of the time it goes pretty good, but on some things they go beserk on the extra charges.

When an item, lets say a $200 US. beat up and used up model aircraft engine that was originally made in Germany gets shipped from the US, you pay the item cost with shipping price inclusive or the shipping cost is prepaid depending on the arrangement.
On top of that comes the exchange for us Canucks and then it gets shipped. So far so good!

It gets to the border and the carrier (in my case UPS, who by the way is also the importing broker for the carrier division,) adds "broker fees" for clearing the item and sends it on. When Canadian Customs gets a hold of it, they scratch their heads and ask; Should be "classed" as a used toy, a gas motivated engine or an antique originated outside the US? (you get the drift.)

They throw the dart and it hits "other".

They add the appliccable taxes and inappropriate fees for coming to that conclusion and call that "customs fees" and send it back to UPS, who re-adjusts their fee and apply Federal and Provincial applicable taxes for their service, and in turn ship it off to the customer via the Canadian version of UPS, who drops it off at a regional distributor, who either delivers it or calls to have it picked up.

You get there and ask for the package, upon which demand they find the "invoice" for your particular P.I.T.A. (you guessed it!) and ask how you would like to pay.

Now get this!......., The original cost of this little engine was $235 US when new, I bought it for $180 US (they are popular,) and the total came to $183.87 for additional "fees" (Customs and importing,) as per attached invoice.

We had a little dance and cursing ceremony, I apologised, paid and went on home.

If I didn't already had lots of dealings with Customs as a transport operator and this would have been my first import, I could have been critically and ballistically upset at that, and would probably first have blamed the seller/shipper, then the carrier and so on.

I backtracked the item and got stopped at the Customs office, where I was held off while they regrouped.
Dead end right there! End of story! Go home!.
I checked the procedure at UPS, got some advice and info and ate the hat.

It happens and you're stuck with it, but on the other hand good things happen too, where you get a deal that seems unbelievable.

For the US shipper it can be a headache with buyers complaining or worse. The shipper doesn't always know all the things that need to be done for a particular shipment, and the info available in the post offices or other places, is sometimes incomplete or inaccurate at best.

The buyer that just doesn't pay (can't see how that's possible) or abandons the package, is the guy who makes friendly dealings between two countries harder and harder, and eventually might cause a breakdown in personal international exchanges, no doubt!

Time for some fresh air :D
PH.
 

Tacklewasher

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Re: eBay customs charges to Canada

If you are selling into Canada, insist on USPS. Then Canada Post will try to deliver but will not deliver the item until all fees are paid. I know UPS and (apparently) Fedex will drop the item without getting full payment, and that seems to be what has happened.

As well, if you are a Canadian buying from the US, insist on USPS. The fees these other twits try to charge verge on criminal. With USPS and Canada post, you will pay duties, taxes etc. but any fees will be reasonable, and are usually known or determinable up front. The "brokerage fees" charge by others seem random and are a complete unknown until the item shows up at your door.

I've bought a couple of dozen items from the US and have never had an issue when using USPS. Once I had the seller assure me they would use USPS, but ended up using UPS. I reminded them of the earlier email conversation and they had no issue with reimbursing me for stupid costs. Then the item showed up with no fees attached. A good transaction. Actually, the only bad EBay deals I have had have been with Canadians. And only two of them, the rest have all been fine (or A++++++++++).
 

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Update.

I managed to contact the buyer. He claimed that he had not been contacted by FedEx, but agreed that he would contact them and pay the charges, as we had agreed originally. I sent him a copy of the customs bill.

Stay tuned.
 
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