Edge Juice or Superchips for more HP?

[PAkev]

I'm looking for a little more go in my tow and am considering one of the plug and play chip options. Edge Juice and Superchips seem to require the least amount of specialized installation. Does anyone have experience with either?<br /><br />Truck: 2002 Chev. Silverado 2500HD, Duramax 6.6 Turbo Diesel w/ Allison T1000 Tranny.<br /><br />Boat: Polar 20ft CC w/ tandem trailer approx. dry wt. 4000 lbs.<br /><br />Picture of Truck & Boat http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/049968.jpg

 

[JB]

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Just watched installation of the EDGE in a Dodge Cummins TurboDiesel on "Trucks".<br /><br />WOW!!<br /><br />Next question?

 

[SwampNut]

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They are both good. Pick up one of the past issues of Diesel Power if you want to see a comparison. I think the Edge came out slightly ahead in torque (which is the measure of towing power, while HP is a measure more useful for quarter mile times). Edge is a diesel specialist, while Superchips makes a lot of stuff. Superchips makes a lot of invalid/fraudulent claims in the ads for their gas engine chips, so I don't really trust their claims for the diesels either.

 

[CaughtinmyGrill]

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I highly recommend the Edge Juice products. I am running both the Edge Juice and EZ (2 chips stacked) on my 2004.5 Dodge Ram CTD. I have no problem towing my 6200 pound boat up a 5 mile long 6% grade at 70 mph. It also makes city driving a lot more fun as well.<br /><br />The edge juice has automatic transmission slip, turbo boost and exhaust gas temperature protection where the chip will automatically back off the power if you exceed your self-set limits. I have been running this set up for a year and a half and am very pleased. Edge support is very helpful and, other than drilling into your exhaust manifold, installation is easy.<br /><br />(Swampnut, not to hijack this thread, I also live in Chandler, at McClintock and Ray. Are you close by?)

 

[DJ]

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BE AWARE. New powertrain modules detect "souping up".<br /><br />Want to void your warranty? Go ahead.<br /><br />Don't give an argument about warranty when you spent $250.00 to soup up a $12K engine. If they were that great, the engine makers would do it. There is a REASON they don't.

 

[cmyers_uk]

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I chipped my landrover discovery 2 gained an extra 50bhp its improved the performance. However I then started to get mechanical problems, blew exhaust gaskets in a row. When I sold it I then had the problem of do I tell the garage, insurance implications etc. Its more trouble than its worth.<br /><br />My Landrover 3 can tow 7700lbs with a 2.7 diesel engine its the torque that makes all the difference and the low ratio box.

 

[craze1cars]

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I can't speak for their diesel setup (nor the two you ask about), but I have Hypertech Supertuner III programming on my 6.0L Chevy gas engine. It added 1 mpg while towing, and I did before/after speed runs at a drag strip with my boat in tow (I'm there often)....so I documented an official cut in my 1/4 mile time by about 2 seconds while towing...I can say with confidence that the power gains are very real. Allows you to change shift points, compensate speedo for different tire sizes, etc. It still allows me to run 87 octane. Just to save any potential warranty conflict, whenever I take it to the dealer for service I make a point to hook up the programmer and return everything to stock settings. Then after the dealer does their thing, I reprogram it back for the better performance. As for installation? Plug & play, answer a few questions, and unplug...no tools...you never even have to open the hood. Best $350 I ever spent.<br /><br />To say these vehicles can't handle putting out a bit more juice is a joke...as long as they're not detonating, they're harmless. Most of these rigs are seriously held back from the factory (ESPECIALLY the diesels), and I feel such tuners are a very good and safe way to get more out of your truck. I have been running these types of things since they were invented, have never had a problem, and they save money in gas. Every tow vehicle I buy gets reprogrammed as soon as I get it home. I'm a believer....I'll add that I also build 350 Chevy race engines as a hobby (just as an example the 350 can easily handle up to about 500 HP in pretty much stock form, so getting another 30 or 50 horses out of a chip isn't gonna hurt a thing on most ANY modern engine...same for the trannys in these HD trucks), so I'm not just some guy talking out of my butt here...

 

[cmyers_uk]

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craze1cars, horsepowers great but for towing torque is what you want and the lower down the rev range the better. I presume most people are not into boating at the drag strip where I am sure your HP is really great. <br /><br />The difference between chipping where I come from is that the engines are much smaller for the same horsepower so are already in a higher state of tune. e.g 2.0L putting out 280Bhp straight from the factory so when you chip them you do get reliabilty problems because other parts have not been designed to take the load. If you are only concerned with melting pistons great but in my engine other things kept going wrong.<br /><br />Also the biggest problem I have had towing is stopping the thing not speeding it up )

 

[craze1cars]

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Chris, I agree with you nearly 100%. And I don't think I'd consider chipping a 2.7 like you did and expect it to tow 7,700 lbs trouble free. That's really stretching the limits of a small displacement motor, IMO. The original question from the poster was regarding an engine almost 3 times larger than yours. Such large displacement tow rigs are common here in the US, and I strongly believe his rig will handle a better fuel/timing curve just fine with no damage whatsoever and he'll see a noticable improvement in towing performance. But I wouldn't recommend doing the same with your 2.7, nor towing that much weight with it. And I agree with your torque statement as well...I have no real objective way to measure torque gain, but I can tell that it has increased as well. My downshifting on certain long uphills has been reduced noticeably and it can churn up a long gentle grade at 2,500 rpms maintining 70mph now....it used to slow down a bit then kick down a gear to maintain 70 up that same hill before I reprogrammed it. Hypertech's before/after torque/HP curve shows a 10 to 15 % increase in HP AND torque across the RPM range, from 1,500 rpms on up. Since I was able to quantify the increase at the strip, and the increase in fuel economy, plus I can feel less downshifting while towing uphill at "normal" RPMS, I have every reason to believe that my torque output also has increased 10 to 15% as they advertised.<br /><br />Here's the dyno chart for the same product for the 6.6 turbo diesel in question: They show a gain in torque of 120 to 185 lbs, depending on how he chooses to program it. That's quite significant:<br /> http://www.hypertech.com/get_dynochart.php?cid=97&vid=1380215&tp=jpeg

 

[gonefishie]

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Craze> what do you suggest I could do for my 02 4x4 Tundra with a 4.7L V8? the plug-n-play thing sound like it very do-able

 

[craze1cars]

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I really don't know....did a quick search and came up with this product<br /> http://www.seffects.com/parts/Unichip.asp <br />A bit salty, in my opinion, and I have no idea how it works, but maybe you can do some research. I know little to nothing about doing this sort of stuff to a non-US vehicle. I'm a Chevy guy mostly. Sorry I can't be of more help.

 

[cmyers_uk]

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craze1cars,<br /><br />I agree with you , your engines are in a very low state of tune from the factory and can be easily chipped with no problems. The towing upto 7700lbs is no problem with the 2.7 engine its got a low range box as well if the going gets tough. I only tow upto 60mph and to be honest 56mph is my normal tow speed but thats because a) diesel is so expensive $1.75 a litre and b) the country is small so I only tow 150miles. Stopping has never been a problem but is my concern. I was always told never tow with anything heavier than your tow vehicle. Enjoy your upgrades and cheap fuel )

 

[craze1cars]

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Yah.....I feel for you guys on the other side of the pond. People here in the States have been crying about how expensive gasoline has been here lately. Most of them have absolutely NO IDEA what it's like elsewhere...our gas is still dirt cheap. So is our diesel. Right now both are floating around $2.40 to $2.80 USD per gallon in most parts of the US....<br /><br />Also, not uncommon for me to tow my boat 600 miles at 75 mph. Thru mountains in some places. Combine those types of expressway runs with cheap fuel, and you get a bunch of power-hungry Americans running massive displacement engines and STILL not satisfied....so many of us are always trying to squeeze more juice outta our motors!