Electric Fuel Pump???

mnc1960

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Hi there, Now just asking what sort of Electric Fuel Pump can I use with my Mercruiser 165hp in-line 6 250 GM engine? as in fuel pressure etc plus if I can where could I get a cover for the old mechanical pump once it has been removed or should I just leave it attached?

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ziggy

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Re: Electric Fuel Pump???

i can't help ya to much...
fuel pressure for my '75 165 L6 is 3-6 psi

why ya wanna go electric? i'm still running the original from '75 on my rig. if i needed to R&R it i think i'd go with this. or if i was feeling real rich, item #1 from here.. but then again. i like stock stuff, especially when it lasts for 36 years and works good with the whole engine system.... ;)

good luck in your hunt for electric. i reckon someone will lead ya to what your wanting...
 

scoflaw

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Re: Electric Fuel Pump???

Never had much luck with aftermarket electric pumps. The ones that deadhead are constantly working against themselves, and do fail. The ones with return lines hold up much better, but now you've got another line to deal with.
 

fishrdan

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Re: Electric Fuel Pump???

I'd stick with the mechanical pump as it's are going to be more reliable. If you go with an electric you'll have to buy and wire up an oil pressure safety switch, then find a low pressure (4-7PSI?) electric fuel pump that's marine rated, and of good quality of course. Everything said and done, you will probably spend as much on an electric setup, as replacing the old mechanical pump.

Also, some electric fuel pumps are annoyingly noisy. I had a Holley on a hot rod that was really loud, then a carter that wasn't much better. The $25 cheapie electric fuel I use to pump out old gas and such is still kind of noisy, I wouldn't want to hear it clicking away on my boat.
 

scoflaw

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Re: Electric Fuel Pump???

Return line is how it works in an automotive application, not sure what the OP is tryin to rig.
 

Fishermark

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Re: Electric Fuel Pump???

Like the others have mentioned... I too would recommend staying with the mechanical pump. Here's a brand new one for only $120.

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If I may offer some advice.....why cobble things up? Go with what the manufacturer recomends and you will be good. I am 60+ yrs of age and have found that when things are replaced properly and not rigged up to save a couple dollars you will make out in the long run.
Electric fuel pumps need safety devices in boats in case of a leak or accident they will shut off.
Mechanical pumps as used by the manufacturers are designed for safe use. It is quite difficult to walk home if your boat catches fire when you are 5-10 miles out in the lake and even more difficult to pull over to the side and hang a white flag on the attenna until the highway patrol comes along. Being on the water or flying an aircraft, there is no room for shortcuts. My two cents worth anyway....

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ziggy

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Re: Electric Fuel Pump???

According to Mercruiser parts there is a diaphragm kit available
looks available to me too. it for sure was a few years ago, cause mine leaked (into the bilge) and i R&Red the diaphragm with the kit. that said. i wouldn't do it again. i'm not sure what year it happened (1978 i think. s/m #3), but for sure my '75 still used an automotive type fuel pump. like in no 3rd line back to the carb so if the diaphragm does rupture, fuel goes back to the carb. this imho is a major safety issue that i have to deal with. if i had the new style mechanical fuel pump like the ones that are available now, it'd have the 3rd line back to the carb. sure would make me feel better if it did. what i have now works just dandy and meets the oem standards of the day (1975) it was mfg. but it don't meet the standards of today, which imho is a real good safety standard regarding fuel pumps... i look at my fuel pump for leakage prior to every run... if i did replace my fuel pump, i'd would replace with a new mechanical fuel pump too as i agree with this statement.
.why cobble things up? Go with what the manufacturer recomends and you will be good
 

Pete104

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Re: Electric Fuel Pump???

Are we sure we need a fuel pump? Nobody has said why we are on this path!
May just be a "chain puller" aka SPAM
 
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mnc1960

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Re: Electric Fuel Pump???

Thanks for all of the input on my question and to Pete104 - NOT A CHAIN PULLER AKA SPAM, :mad: if you have nothing to say about the question, then do not write anything please. Now I have asked this question as this is my first time in owning a Mercruiser powered boat and I want to get the good oil to my questions etc from people who know what they are talking about and who have either owned or own one of these engines i.e. 1971 Mercruiser 165hp in-line 6 GM engine with a 2-Jet Rochester Carbie :confused: The boat is a 1971 Bertram/Caribbean Commodore 6.1metre (20') Half Cabin Cruiser. Now the fuel pump on my engine is the old mechanical unit without the third return hose to the carbie as it does not have the plug in it for that. I have read most of the post's about these types of setup's in this forum OK but needed current up to date advise on it. The other thing is that I have found that when I went to change the fuel line between the pump and carbie due to it starting to perish, there was no fuel in the line at all and that got me wondering that I might have a fuelpump problem as it does take a little time for the engine to start up i.e. pump has to draw fuel up from the tank to the pump and then to the carbie then moter starts. This is why I was asking about a electric unit so as to get the fuel to the carbie fast which in turn would allow the engine to start first time ever time without flooding it etc. Now I know that some people on hear are going to write back and say - WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE?. Well what is wrong with just getting some idea's and points of view first? Now getting back the fuel pump I have. I have not taken it apart as yet to see if the diaphram is split etc thus causing the fuel to drain back into the tank and leaving no fuel in the lines and NO IT IS NOT DRAINING INTO THE BILGES etc. I hope I can get some good replies to all of this and not ones like - Chain puller aka SPAM etc. I am real and asking real questions here as this is a family boat and I want it to be as safe as possiable plus I am not your normal sort of first time boatie etc as I have been involved with boats all my life since I was 6 years old and that makes it 45 years both owning, dealing and working on boats both personally and professionally as crew and Skipper, I am also a member of the local Volunteer Coast Guard Flotilla here in Australia so I am extremely safety focused etc but as I said before this is the first time I have owned a Mercruiser setup and want to make sure it is setup correctly. I also have ordered and just waiting for the Water Reversal Kit to arrive and then I can install that. Thanks to the guys that let me know about that one too. Thanks to all and look forward to your replies once again. :)
 

Silvertip

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Re: Electric Fuel Pump???

Even if you add an electric fuel pump, you still have the same issue that you have with the existing mechanical pump. You just moved the problem farther away from the engine. What if the pump leaks, or the line leaks between it and the carb. You just created more places for the problem to exist. You still fill the bilge with fuel. The weep hole in the old carbs is simply a vent for the non-fuel side of the diaphram. That side needs to be open to the atmosphere or the diphram may not function properly. That port can be enlarged, tapped and a fitting inserted for a separate line to the carb. You can't do that with an electric pump. The electric pump also requires an oil pressure switch connection so if the engine dies, oil pressure drops and the pump quits. I know -- you will say I will just turn off the key. I suggest as good intentioned as you are, you will not think to do that in an emergency. Here is just one scenario: Running along nicely and then pull into a cove but as you do so the engine dies (doesn't matter why). But lets just assume the reason it died was because the float stuck in the carb and with the now dead engine, the pump continues to run which is overflowing the carb. A minute or so (or longer) you attempt to restart and the now severely flooded engine goes "kaboom". This electric pump solution for what is a "non-problem" is not a rational solution unless it is carried all the way which includes the safety cut off. Just install the standard pump and add the third line. It is safe, durable, and in the end, more reliable and less expensive.
 

fishrdan

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Well, I'm close as I've owned and wrenched on a 73 Mercruiser 140HP with the same carter fuel pump and Rochester 2GC carb for about 15 years. Same engine less 2 cylinders.

It sounds like you want it to be as safe as possible, so that would lend itself to replacing the mechanical pump, opposed to cobbling up an electric fuel pump system. Personally I would replace the entire pump. If you are going to do the diaphragm kit (if you can find it) make sure all the valves and springs in the old pump are fine and not rusted up, crack the pump open first before ordering the diaphragm kit. Rusted pump valve parts could cause a leak-down situation like you mention.

As the others have said, the newer pumps are going to be better and safer then the old pump since the new pump will have the vent/sight tube port, that you connect to the carb. Purged fuel from a bad fuel pump will go into the engine. instead of the bilge.
 

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Re: Electric Fuel Pump???

OK but needed current up to date advise on it. The other thing is that I have found that when I went to change the fuel line between the pump and carbie due to it starting to perish, there was no fuel in the line at all and that got me wondering that I might have a fuelpump problem as it does take a little time for the engine to start up i.e. pump has to draw fuel up from the tank to the pump and then to the carbie then moter starts.

Ayuh,.... The current, up to date advice is to replace the mechanical pump with the Right 1 you need, with the ruptured diaphragm vent line/ port/ nipple...

A mechanical pump ain't much more than 2 check valves, 'n the diaphragm.....
You should also have another check valve at the fuel tank, the anti-siphon valve...

Even if ya go through the hassle of an electric pump, check the tank mounted valve, as it's probably missin', or not workin'...
 

Fed

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Re: Electric Fuel Pump???

Hey Max I had a Caribbean Commodore C/W 165 Mercruiser, great old boat.

Anyway, your float bowl should still have fuel in it for starting up and a few hundred revs should refill it in no time.
I never really noticed but it wouldn't surprise me if the fuel in the line drained back because the valves in the pump wouldn't be 100% fuel tight but it won't drain out of the carbie bowl.
 

Pete104

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Fine, your not pulling chains! Only took 18 posts to find out what you're chasing.
Like Bond-O suggested. As well as a couple others. Check the "tank" fittings.

Even with an electric pump & no anti-siphon valve or one that's stuck open, the starter is gonna be cranking it's guts out! If installed properly.
 
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