Electrical nightmare

mainexile

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Help guys, please!

Earlier in the week I posted about how activating the trim circuit on my 1978mercruiser 470 kills the engine. Previous owner made some major re-wiring changes including removal (without replacement) of the trim sending and trim limit switches. He also installed a switch on the dash that breaks the ground circuit to the trim pump motor. Closing that switch kills the engine. I have tried to trace out all the engine and trim circuit wires using the wiring diagrams in the Selco on-line manuals, which are not the best I've ever seen. In fact, I can't find a single wiring diagram that accuratgely reflects the configuration of my engine/trim units. Selco apparently doesn't believe in publishing a comprehensive, all-inclusive wiring diagram. That being said, does anyone have diagrams that show all of the points common to engine and trim electrical? The trim is a single soleniod and the ignition starter solenoid is the Ford-type mounted on the block (as opposed to the GM-type that sits on top of the starter). The only apparent, unorthodox wiring change (other than the removal of the trim switches) is in the harness coming from the three-botton trim control panel. The blue wire (up) has been cut and a spade plug used to re-splice it. There is a jumper from the spade plug to the purple (trailer) wire. Pushing the "up" button has no effect on the stern tilt. Pushing the "up trailer" (middle) button raises the stern drive. The diagram for a three-button, single-solenoid tilt/trim refers to a "normally closed reverse interlock switch, but I cannot locate this switch. And I cannot determine what actually happens when I close the dash switch that kills the engine and energizes the tilt/trim motor circuit. I realize that this is somewhat convoluted, but I'll be happy to try to explain further if you need more information - just ask me whatever you need to diagnose this.
Thanks in advance.
Steve

B/T/W- I have now pulled out what little remaining hair I had. :D
 

Don S

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Re: Electrical nightmare

The wiring for the engine is (Should be) completely seperate from the trim wiring. So you will never find them together, not even in the merc oem manual.

How many solenoids do you have on your trim pump?
 

mainexile

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Re: Electrical nightmare

Don S,

This is a single-solenoid trim pump. All electrical connections on the solenoid and pump are per the wiring diagram, except that I have no blue lead coming from the reverse interlock switch (which I can't locate). That blue lead and the one from the up button on three-button dash-mounted trim panel are shown joining at a terminal block that also joins the green wires coming from the down button and the pump motor, respectively.

Haut Medoc,

The Seloc manual Section 5 is for ignition. It gives me theory of operation, basic troubleshooting and routine maintenance. I need something that delves a little deeper into the troubleshooting area.

Thanks,
Steve
 

Don S

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Re: Electrical nightmare

Haut was talking about section 5 in the link he gave you, but it wouldn't work anyway, it has 2 solenoids. Here is the wiring diagram from the OEM manual for your drive (it's not online)

Merctrimsinglesolenoid.png
 

mainexile

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Re: Electrical nightmare

Don S.,

Sorry for not responding yesterday - I had to take care of some "honey-do's" Thanks for trying, but the image couldn't be read. Would you be kind enough to re-send it?

Wire2,

Care to jump in?

Thanks,
Steve :D
 

Don S

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Re: Electrical nightmare

but the image couldn't be read. Would you be kind enough to re-send it?

All you have to do is save the picture above to your computer. Then enlarge it so you can read it.
 

mainexile

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Re: Electrical nightmare

Don S.,

I already tried that. When I select the attachment and right click, it doesn't give me a "save as" option. I think it may have been corrupted in transit.

Steve
 

Haut Medoc

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Re: Electrical nightmare

What about the icons that appear in the upper left?.....:confused:
 

mainexile

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Re: Electrical nightmare

Haut,

Not sure what you mean. The only icon on Don's reply is a 1/4" box with a red "X" in it.
 

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Re: Electrical nightmare

Haut,

Not sure what you mean. The only icon on Don's reply is a 1/4" box with a red "X" in it.

Your browser must be blocking images. It's there (and readable)...
 

HT32BSX115

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Re: Electrical nightmare

Howdy,

Go HERE and download the correct version of the Gimp. (it's free) Gimp is like Photoshop except it doesn't suck money out of your wallet or anywhere else!

Install it on your system.

Then right click on that picture and select "Save As" (save it to your desktop)

(after you install the Gimp) Right click on the file you saved and select "Open With" if it doesn't automatically open it.

Cheers,



Rick



If you're having browser problems, go HERE and get a better browser.
 

mainexile

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Re: Electrical nightmare

Everyone,

I've been posting today from work, and the browser on this system does have restrictions. So, I'll try reading it again from home in a couple of hours and see if that works any better. Thanks to all for the help so far.

Steve
 

mainexile

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Re: Electrical nightmare

Don S. et al,

Got the diagram from my home computer. Thank you!!

I work with a bunch of ME's and EE's, and the resident brain trust came up with a possibility that I'm going to check out in a few minutes: They think that when P.O. (previous owner) re-wired, he replaced the resistance wire from the coil to the electric choke with plain primary wire. I stopped at the auto parts store on the way home and picked up a ballast resistor. I'll wire it in series with the choke and see if the mystery is solved. I'll let you all know later.

Thanks,
Steve
 

mainexile

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Re: Electrical nightmare

Everyone,

Thank you all for your understanding, compassion, assistance and expertise. The nightmare is gone!!! The suggestion from the guys at work was a bust. But between them and the diagrams/advice from all of you, I solved it myself. You all helped me narrow down the problem to the coil circuit. As it turns out, the lead from the negative side of the coil that goes to the shift interrupter switch was connected to the terminal block just forward of the switch. However, it was connected to the terminal post that also mounts the terminal block to the shift plate. That mounting screw is metal while the other screw on the terminal block is nylon...for a reason. The nylon post is where the lead from the coil is supposed to join with one side of the shift interrupter switch. Since the coil lead was being constantly grounded by the terminal block mounting screw, there was no high voltage being generated until P.O. put in the dashboard switch. I reversed the two leads - coil and ground - at the terminal block and everything works fine. Again, thanks to all for the help. This board is AWESOME!!:)
Steve
 
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