electronic ignition conversion

25Horse

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hello i have an 89 sunbird corsica 175 with 2.3 ford/omc cobra , my question is: there is a mallory ignition with mechanical points advance under the distributor ( i have had problems with before!) and i was just wondering is there an electronic ignition available for this particular ford/omc engine that i can upgrade to thanks
 

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Try either one of these:<br /><br />Mallory<br />YLU621CV2<br />or<br />YLM621CV2<br /><br />There is a company "ignitor" that makes a electronic conversion, but last i knew it doesn't work with the OMC shift interrupter module.
 

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You might look into the pertronix converstion.
 

MikeM40

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I put the pertronix converstion in a 3.0 Merc and it runs great and starts up right away.<br />It was a good investment.<br />Keep you old points and condensor in a ziplock on board as a backup
 

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Are you trying to do away with the just points and condenser, or the centrifical advance too?<br /><br />Before buying any electronic ignition distributor or conversion kit, make sure it will work with the OMC Electronic Shift Assist (ESA) module. I believe that the Pertronix conversion kits are not compatable with the ESA module.<br /><br />Dave
 

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Originally posted by newport dave:<br /> Are you trying to do away with the just points and condenser, or the centrifical advance too?<br /><br />Before buying any electronic ignition distributor or conversion kit, make sure it will work with the OMC Electronic Shift Assist (ESA) module. I believe that the Pertronix conversion kits are not compatable with the ESA module.<br /><br />Dave
Pertronix has a work-around for the ESA. You can probably find it on their website.
 

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The pertronix Ignotor and IgnitorII are great items. I have an IgnitorII and it is great. Highly recommended, and as Boomyall said, they have a workaround for the ESA. I have a Mercruiser, but I have built the ESA fix to try to rectify a tach issue. Took me all of 10 minutes to solder it together and seal it in a box.
 

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hello<br /> here we have a lot of DIYSers. they are constantly doing something crazy to Cobras. I have wired a lot of them so the cut out no longer uses the ESA but actually cuts spark just like the mercruisers.its not hard and it will work.<br />but you need a shift interrupter of sometype or you will run into problems, or docks :) :) <br />a few good stories on that :)
 

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yes i would like to do away with the mechanical advance sorry i should have stated more clearly i would like to up grade my whole ignition- cap, rotor,mechanical advance and do away with the points is this possible well i know anything is possible just wondering if this is a worthwhile upgrade thanks
 

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2 diodes and 2 resistors take care of the esa module not concerned there just looking for a better more reliable ignition system!! if this were a car i would add a billet dist.with vacume advance, msd box and coil and set of motorsport 10mm wires thus creating most power most spark most reliability now how can i do this to my boat im not looking for ANY PERFORMANCE just to up grade my marine ignition thats all
 

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Never use vacuum adv on a boat motor ! What problems is the mech adv giving? I used to do a lot of distributor recurving for street and race cars and all sorts of weird electronic conversions using oem parts. <br /><br />You can use an MSD box with your current points set up. I don't know how it would effect the ESA. The points would last a LOT longer.
 

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Rayjay, tell me more about using a MSD with points. I might want to try that.
 

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Others have mentioned the Pertronix conversion above, so here's a link for details for anyone interested. Copied from Stuart Hastings website:<br /><br />"I telephoned Pertronix tech support (the phone number used to be on their website) and inquired. They said the OMC ESA was a known problem, and they mailed me a sheet with instructions for a simple circuit that would interface their gadget to the OMC ESA. Specifically, the circuit has two identical resistors, and two identical diodes, for a total of four parts. <br /><br />I visited my local Radio Shack, bought the parts, plus a small plastic box, and built the circuit. I installed it with my Pertronix Ignitor(tm), and my ESA works fine with it. <br /><br />The diagram that Pertronix sent me is here http://www.funkopolis.com:8080/~stuart/cobra/diodefix.jpg (100k). I grabbed this off their website some time back, and it subsequently disappeared. However, it had reappeared when I checked in early 2003 (look for "Ignitor," then "Support")."
 

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Adding a MSD box will improve the reliability of the points/condenser since they would no longer be doing the actual primary circuit switching, just creating a trigger for the MSD box. It would do nothing to improve the advance mechanism reliability/accuracy.<br /><br />As far as the ESA compatability, MSD makes a special component that would have to be used. <br /><br />Dave
 

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Boats never need vacuum advance because they don't have light load cruise conditions like a car. When you are in top gear out on the highway turning around 2500 rpm, you may have 10 to 16 degrees of vacuum at that rpm. It only takes a small amount of power to keep a 3000-4000 lb car at road speed thus not a lot of fuel. A boat requires a serious amount of fuel to cruise. With out getting into a deep discussion of how reciprocating engines work, in order to burn the reduced amount of fuel optimally, you have to start the fire earlier than under a high load condition. Thus the vacuum advance. A common timing program for the 5.7/ 350 Chevrolet would have the mechanical advance start at 10 to 12 degrees top dead center at idle and advance to a total of 30 to 36 degrees advance with the advance <br />all in by 3000 rpm. Now in a car application you would also have vacuum advance that could add in anywhere from six to sixteen degrees of advance on top of whatever the mechanical advance is adding in. Luckily you dont have to worry about it, as getting the ignition maps right can be time consuming. Drag race vehicles we have bulit can have what called locked out mechanical advance, but this is impractical in marine application. You would have starting problems as all that advance at crank speed make the motor kickback. Our drag motors had large enough cams that that was less of an issue. So to end this rambling mess. Do a conversion of any electronic type you like, and make sure the mechanical advance system is functioning correctly, and you should be cool.<br />JOn
 

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yes i had a problem with a broken spring under the dist plate for the advance it drove me NUTZ i found it by the end of last year my boat runs fine finally but i would like to upgrade thats all in my earlier post's i just compared how i would upgrade my car ignition to how i would like to upgrade my boat ignition i am an ase ford tech so i can understand what most of you guys are saying but boats are a whole new world thats why i turned to the pro's there are so many guys on here that know 100% more about a boat then me and you are all very kind to take time to try to help me thanks again guys!!!!<br />chris
 

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25HP<br /> the gear and clucth mating surfaces are cut on about a 7* draft. it provides a positive locking engagement. the problem is it locks so well that as long as the engine is smooth and the prop has a load it wont unlock. the reason for a shift interrupt is to momentarily cut engine power to allow the cable and associated linkages to move the clutch from in gear to nutral. if the cable,bellcrank,shiftshaft bushings or connector block sticks it will not allow for a momentary cut off. the purpose for the ESA was to scatter the spark and make the engine miss while holding the RPM at about 450. the merc system just momentarily cut the ign circuits. either system works well as long as everything is performing as designed.<br /> but they have caused many a gelcoat crack and many failures due to people not understanding what they do and how they work or why. usually,barring an ESA failure. the cause is a cable or a bell crank or a combination of the two. its rare to have to adjust anything unless something is worn to the point of replacement. kinda like ign timing. timing will not change until something else wears out or mechanical failure.
 

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i was wondering if anyone knows where i can find this particular piece of hardware for my boat this piece is located on the transom and it covers a hole and holds a cable like for a transducer i need (2) of them in either stainless or plastic thanks <br />chris
 
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