End of My Rope...Fuel Problem

hartleck

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1971 Thunderbolt 800, third year working on it. New Fuel tank; new lines all the way from tank to carbs; fuel pump rebuild; carb rebuild with new floats and jets. I get plenty of gas to carbs but not to cylinders, all four plugs dry . When I manually put fuel in cylinders it starts right up. What I have read leads me to wonder about reeds but I know nothing about them or how to get to them. Compression great, new electronics, wiring the works. Please help, I'm about to give up! Thanks
 

Dave1027

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Re: End of My Rope...Fuel Problem

Here we go with the reeds again!

You have already tested and found you have a fuel delivery problem. Why are you now thinking reeds? How about the primer bulb? Have you thought about putting a pressure gauge on the fuel line?
 

mr 88

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Re: End of My Rope...Fuel Problem

As Dave noted if the primer check valve is bad,after you pump it the gas will just siphon back to the tank along with gas that is in the carbs. If the bulb is good, prime the heck out of it,once its' hard pump it a few more times,choke her as well when turning it over,they love gas.
 

hartleck

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Re: End of My Rope...Fuel Problem

This is a new bulb and it stays hard after pumping
 

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Re: End of My Rope...Fuel Problem

As Dave noted if the primer check valve is bad,after you pump it the gas will just siphon back to the tank along with gas that is in the carbs. If the bulb is good, prime the heck out of it,once its' hard pump it a few more times,choke her as well when turning it over,they love gas.

Fuel cannot siphon back out of the carbs since the inlets are at the top and there is no dip tube going to the bottom. Hence no siphon.
 

bgc

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Re: End of My Rope...Fuel Problem

You want to run a drill bit down each passage as outlined in the factory manuals.
 

Chris1956

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Re: End of My Rope...Fuel Problem

OK, Check the transfer covers for air leaks. Are the gaskets good and the bolts tight? Choke the crap out of it and see if the plugs get wet. Spray some fuel into carb throats and see if she fires.
 

BatDaddy1887

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Re: End of My Rope...Fuel Problem

...if your engine has one, replace the fuel filter above the fuel pump with a high-flow-capacity fuel filter (I'm not talking about the fuel/water separator).
 

Moody Blue

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Re: End of My Rope...Fuel Problem

Not likely the reeds are the problem. You mention that ALL plugs are dry.

What are the compression numbers for each cyl?

How have you confirmed fuel to the carbs? Possible that the float levels weren't set or were set improperly.
 

hartleck

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Re: End of My Rope...Fuel Problem

Not likely the reeds are the problem. You mention that ALL plugs are dry.

What are the compression numbers for each cyl?

How have you confirmed fuel to the carbs? Possible that the float levels weren't set or were set improperly.
Iwas told by my Yahama Dealer Mech that it was close to 150 on each cyl. He said it was the best he had seen on this model and he used to work on them all the time. I get fuel to both carbs. I was concerned that the fuel squirted out of those carbs when the bulb got hard The mech that rebuilt these carbs had rebuilt my buddies tower of power and did a great job with it.
 

Lone Duck

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Re: End of My Rope...Fuel Problem

Not likely the reeds are the problem. You mention that ALL plugs are dry.

What are the compression numbers for each cyl?

How have you confirmed fuel to the carbs? Possible that the float levels weren't set or were set improperly.

Yup! I'd start with checking float levels. I would also check Low jets back em out 1 1/2 turns.
 

halmc

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Re: End of My Rope...Fuel Problem

"Carbs were rebuilt by a good boat mechanic"

Perhaps not good enough to rebuild 'em properly.

When it runs with your introduced fuel, electrical issues are essentially eliminated. You've done everything to address any fuel delivery issues. (tho' you didn't say whether, after you pump up the bulb, that you have ensured that the carb bowls have fuel in 'em)

I suggest a lengthy dunking of the disassembled carbs in carb cleaner, if possible, in an ultra sonic cleaner.

That might still not be enough because a '71 engine has almost certainly endured long periods of inactivity, and an idle carburetor is corrosion's workshop. Corrosion can block passages much better than can ordinary gasoline gum.

The drill bit bit is a very good suggestion, and one that I'd try along with the less intrusive cleaning.

It might also help us -- Admirals and kibitizers alike -- to know when the engine last ran well (on carburetors) if you know, and the circumstances under which it quit, if it did.

"The mech that rebuilt these carbs had rebuilt my buddies tower of power and did a great job with it. "

A blind hog finds an acorn every now and then. But not always.
 
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