Engine won't turn over

td95ma

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I am the proud owner of the Devil, otherwise known as the 1971 60 hp evinrude, So here is the problem.....the engine will not turn over...I have power to the key switch and from the switch to the solenoid, I traced the other solenoid lead for the safety switch, found it but don't know what I am looking at. There is no power to the solenoid from that lead. I tried using a light guage wire to jump past the solenoid, the engine gave one little turn and the wire heated up real quick. Tommorow I was thinking of jumping from the battery right to the starter. Anyone know how to tell if the solenoid is bad? SHould I have power at the 2 side points of the solenoid? The last thing I changed was the rectifier because it was blown but i don't think that would cause my no turn over problem? Any ideas? Where to start?<br /><br />Tommy lost and confused
 

Solittle

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Re: Engine won't turn over

Before I'd start bypassing or replacing things I'd make sue that I had a fully charged battery - not just with a volt meter - use a hydrometer. Next pull the battery cables and clean thoroughly. Next pull the ground cable, and cables/wires to the solinoid/starter and clean thoroughly. Use some dialectric grease on all contacts. Then try if & get back to us.
 

td95ma

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Re: Engine won't turn over

Battery has been fully charged on trickle charge overnight, cables are clean, I brushed them clean nice and shiny, I will take alook at the ground cables and the connections there. I would love to know how to test the solenoid to see if its faulty or stuck also if I am supposed to have 12 volts and both the side ports on the solenoid<br />t
 

Xcusme

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Re: Engine won't turn over

Tommy,<br /><br />I don't have a wiring diagram for your motor , but here are the basics. <br /><br />The starter solenoid has 2 circuits, one circuit puts voltage from your battery to the starter motor. These are the 2 large gauge wires on the solenoid. One large wire comes FROM the battery to the solenoid, the other large wire leaves the solenoid and goes TO the starter. This we will call the HIGH amperage circuit, because it powers the starter itself.<br /><br />The other circuit is the control circuit ( these are the 2 small posts on the solenoid). Lets call this the LOW current circuit . This circuit controls the solenoid when you turn the key to the Start position.<br /><br />Low current (control circuit) circuit operation:<br />When you turn the key to the start position, voltage is fed INTO one small terminal of the solenoid. This voltage goes thru the solenoid, then continues OUT of the other small terminal to one side of the Neutral Safety Switch. The other side of the Neutral Safety Switch goes to a ground connection (if the motor is in Neutral). This completes the circuit and the solenoid closes. When the solenoid closes , it puts battery voltage thru the large gauge wires to the starter and the motor cranks.<br /><br />If the motor is NOT in neutral, the neutral safety switch breaks the control circuit and the solenoid can't close. Since the solenoid can't close, it can't send voltage to the starter thru the large gauge wires. This is a safety issue. They don't want you to be able to start the motor 'in gear'.<br /><br />OK, how do you test this thing! Here's the quick way.<br /><br />BE ABSOLUTELY SURE MOTOR IS IN NEUTRAL, and the ignition key is in the OFF position. This testing procedure will bypass the Neutral Safety Switch and test the solenoid.<br /><br />On the solenoid, find the small post with the wire going to the neutral safety switch.<br />Connect this small post to ground with a jumper wire.<br />Turn the key to the start position, starter should turn.<br /><br />If the starter spins, the neutral safety switch is bad, OR the wire going TO the neutral safety switch is open (broken) OR the neutral safety switch ground connection is bad. You could have one or more of these problems, but highly unlikely.<br /><br />If the starter does not spin, the solenoid is bad OR the starter is bad OR the battery is dead. There could be corroded connections..but more on that later.<br /><br />When you used a light gauge wire to 'jump' the 2 large terminals of the solenoid, you put voltage to the starter. You bypassed the solenoid altogether. The wire got hot fast because the starter was drawing a lot of current. The light gauge wire could not carry the current and it heated up. That's why they use heavy wires! Since you said " the engine gave one little turn" . I'll assume the starter is OK . You have to be careful of gasoline fumes when you "Jump the solenoid" There can be sparks when you make this connection. Starters can draw large amounts of current. It's not uncommon for a starter to draw 50 Amperes of current or more when you turn the key. Marine solenoids are designed to contain any internal sparking for this reason. That's why it's safer to test the 'control circuit' (small posts) side of the solenoid.<br /><br />Most of the time, starter problems can be traced to bad connections. Especially the High Amperage circuit. Corroded connections are points of high resistance that limit the amount of current needed by the starter to spin. These connections are the Positive and Negative battery posts, the two large terminals of the solenoid, the starter connection, and the starter ground connection. Remove the Positive battery connection first, and then leave it disconnected while you clean the other connections. This eliminates the possibility of accidently shorting any wires to ground during the cleaning process. Continue to clean the other connections ( one at a time) and make sure they are clean and bright and securely tightened. Finally , re-connect the Positive battery connector when you are finished. Don't forget the Negative connection to the motor block too. <br /><br />Gees, it seems I've written a book here....sorry for the ramblings. Good Luck.
 

td95ma

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Re: Engine won't turn over

OK, I performed the above test, grounded the second lead from the solenoid, and she turned over no problem..I assume the porblem is with the safety switch what do we know about it? How do I replace it.....will the devil come out and beat me down if I just ground the lead to the engine and bybass it all together?.......
 

heavy_metals

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Re: Engine won't turn over

Greetings from the future. lol. I realize it has been quite a few years but I have this exact motor and having the exact same problem. I was doing research on how to fix it. It was driving me crazy when I came across your breakdown/instructional. It just gave me the second opinion I needed and it worked. Long story short it was the simplest thing. So I just wanted to say Thank You Very Much. I hope this reaches you, its pretty cool when something you said almost 10 yrs ago keeps helping through the years, thanx to the Information Superhighway. DJ from Kansas.
 
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