Erratic rough running 7.4 thunderbolt IV

bbordin

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Background info: 87 Mercruiser 454/330hp Alpha 1 outdrive, Thunderbolt IV with no plug, wires come directly out of module on portside riser. Fairly low hours, estimate under 3-400, have had the boat in the family since new. Has always been properly winterized/layed up including oil changes, stabil in gas, and drain block/filled with antifreeze.

On summerization, after installation of a new battery, started easily on the muffs, but ran very rough.
So now, done in this order:
Fuel system
Completely drained fuel tank
Changed fuel filter/water separator
Had Rochestor 4B carb boiled/rebuilt at carb shop

Ignition system Parts from EBASICPOWER
Replaced cap/rotor/ignition sensor in distributor(new style sensor, non metallic, has green/white, red/white and ground leads with bullet connectors and ring terminals to connect with original ring terminal wires
Replaced coil (original was leaking oil)
Replaced plugs/wires, wires were original
Checked ignition timing with timing light, it is spot on, with original timing marks, (I believe to be 6BTDC?)
Have been through the flow chart diagnostic testing for the Ignition Module, everything tests out within specs.

Boat starts on the muffs without problem, but runs very rough most of the time. I played with the shift interupt switch, thought that it was bad, as I could get the boat to run smooth at times by wiggling the switch. So I disconnected it completely (Green/white wire) to rule out. This did not fix the problem. I then tried intermittantly grounding the green/white wire and get the boat to smooth out temporarily.

I have also tried disconnecting the main engine harness, and ran the boat with 12v to coil + and jumper wire to start. It runs just the same with no difference in smoothing out, kinda coughing all the time. It is getting plenty of fuel, plugs are black and wet.

After all of the above, the boat does not run consistently any different than when I started out. I think it has to be electrical, as it does respond as noted above with playing with the green/white wire to ground. I have checked + and - connections all over the boat, everything is good and tight, with no corrosion.

I am stumped, where/what should I go after next?

What else can I try? Can the ignition module fail intermittantly? I didn't think so, but obviously, I am missing something.
 

bigbrownbuku

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Re: Erratic rough running 7.4 thunderbolt IV

im sorry i dont have the time to seach but i know for sure don or someone similar has posted a link to the tb4 troubleshooting flow chart. follow it verbatim and you will find the cause if it is electrical. i have many spark testers but the one i prefer is just a straight up spark plug with the ground bent away more then usual and a wire connecting it to ground, just because i can carry it around with me easier.
 

bbordin

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Re: Erratic rough running 7.4 thunderbolt IV

I've been through the TB4 testing algorithm, with no problems. I have spark, it runs. Can/will a failing TB4 cause a misfire? My understanding of the troubleshooting is that if the TB4 was bad, I would just not have spark period. However that understanding may be flawed:confused:
 

jtybt

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Re: Erratic rough running 7.4 thunderbolt IV

wet/black plugs...gas smell or water. Starts easy kinda lets out water leaking into cylinders from manifold/riser joint so we'll look to fuel or electrical related.

Important...gas wet plugs?...float/valve stuck/sticky. I'm shying away from fuel related because of easy start.


You did a lot of work on the problem a lot of new stuff . Try some easy problems like neutral safety switch loose. Does dash gauges flicker.


Oh Yeah! Check that distributor isn't 180* off and plug wires are in correct order...I'm looking toward some basics
 

bbordin

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Re: Erratic rough running 7.4 thunderbolt IV

I can rule out the neutral safety switch because I ran it with the harness completely unplugged, using a jumper to the starter and 12v from bat straight to coil with no change in symptoms.

On the distributor being out of phase, 180 degrees, it would then never run right. It does run smooth intermittantly. Besides, the distributor has not been out. I've been the only one involved with any work on the boat, and nothing has been out or changed to effect that.

The items serviced/replaced have basically been routine tune up/maintenance items, which were certainly due, but the puzzling thing is that the boat does start very easily, hot or cold, and hasn't really changed with the tuneup stuff I've done.

The fact that the coil was leaking oil does make me think that at some point, it was possibly running hot ie lots of resistance in ignition circuit causing it to fail. However it was original equipment, so not unlikely it was due for a replacement as well.

Thanks for the ideas, keep them coming. Not trying to shoot anyone down, it's just that I've tried nearly all I can think of.

I come back to some sort of intermittant/partial failure of the module if that is possible, as everything else in the ignition circuit is new, coupled with the fact that if I do intermittantly ground out the green/white wire from the shift interupt switch, I can begin to get the engine running smoothly.
 

jtybt

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Re: Erratic rough running 7.4 thunderbolt IV

A TB IV ignition cannot use a resistance coil . They are specially wound to take a full 12V from the battery. You have to use the TB IV or Sierra HEI coil. Check the voltage to the + side of the coil when it's running good and when it's not. it needs 12V for proper spark output.

A resistance coil will overheat and make the engine run bad.
 

bbordin

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Re: Erratic rough running 7.4 thunderbolt IV

bump for any other ideas.

I'm using a flamethrower coil, it is not a resistance coil, and I have 12 v at the purple wire on the coil.
 
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