evinrude 235 hp

car23ny

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my 235 hp evinrude will only go maybe half throttle when i try to go full throttle it starts to climb in speed it seems like it runs out of gas i rebuilt the vro pump already it idles fine and runs fine until i try to go full throttle i even took carbs off and apart and cleaned them now i am stumped can anyone please help me ??
 

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Re: evinrude 235 hp

May be fuel starvation. Have a friend pump the primer bulb when running. This will bypass the fuel pump and fill the carbs. If it runs fine, then the pump is suspect.
 

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Re: evinrude 235 hp

be sure you have tight connections on all fuel lines,you may not leak fuel,but might suck air,have you made sure the carbs are in sync,also make sure the timer base under the flywheel is advancing the timing and nothing linking the timerbase is broken
 

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Re: evinrude 235 hp

be sure you have tight connections on all fuel lines,you may not leak fuel,but might suck air,have you made sure the carbs are in sync,also make sure the timer base under the flywheel is advancing the timing and nothing linking the timerbase is broken

hello thanks for responding i replace all fuel lines and rebuit vro pump i only use the fuel side but i rebuilt both --what is the proper way to sync the carbs?? and and how do i check the timer base what do i look for ? i also cleaned the carbs but i didnt rebuild them! it idles fine until just about half throttle then it starts to lightly buck then when i go full throttle it will get up there until it reaches peake and then it like falls on its face but the engine doesnt die it still stays running if i leave the throttle all the way down it will start to pick up and then stop pick up then stop its weird it runs great from idle to almost half way thanks for everything
 

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Re: evinrude 235 hp

you have a classic fuel starve situation.check and be sure your fuel tank is vented ok,often the vents plug from bugs etc,if air cant get in,gas cant get out quick enough,a quick test there is loosen the cap,next,be sure your hoses arent kinkes anywhere,if you replaced the fuel lines,did you use 3/8 hose all the way,that engine needs lotsa gas,if you put an inline filter on,is it 3/8,the connections at the fuel tank often get plugged with debris,sometimes when brass fittings and the alum tank are put together,corrosion build up happens,did you try the squeezing the ball trick,you say you cleaned the carbs,did you take them apart and soak them in carb cleaning solution ,then blow through every passage with a carb spray,when you rebuilt the vro,did you change the pulse fitting that is on the hose to the engine,also the fitting at engine can get crud,as for the timerbase,look at the top of the throttle arm on the starbord side of the engine it should connectto the timer base with a little arm that has a plastic ball and socket,these plastics break,though I dont belive this is the prob,it can be in the fututre,keep ity in mind,check all the possibilities for fuel starving before tearing into carbs again,good luck,keep us posted
 

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Re: evinrude 235 hp

This is an interesting thread for me as I have run into the exact same situation on a 1963 Elgin/Sears/McCulloch 45 hp. I hope this is not stealing the thread as the same fix may apply to both and it doesn't seem like a brand-specific thing.

Took the boat out for the first time last week since buying it. I put-putted around the little marina bay we have for a while, then headed out in the river. Same deal, up to approximately 50% throttle, ran perfectly, above that, would pop and miss. Not dramatically, but it was noticeable and obviously not developing full power.

I continued about 3 miles up the river, which turned out to be a mistake, as the popping and missing started occurring at a lower throttle setting and then the engine died. Initially, I thought the spark plugs were probably fouled, as my two-stroke motorcycles from the 60s would always do that, but I was aware it might be fuel starvation also.

It did surprise me when the motor started up again right away. This ruled out fouled plugs. Because it immediately restarted I also was sure the motor wasn't overheated. I then got back to within a mile from the marina before it died again although it would only take a quarter throttle or so. I couldn't get it started on the water again after that.

I'm assuming that the lower fuel level in the tank (it had used about 1 1/2 gallon) had to do with the increasing fuel starvation. I did try squeezing the fuel bulb enroute, as I can reach it, but wasn't absolutely positive on the effect. For one 30 second period it did seem to reduce the popping.

Tomorrow I will remove the fuel pump and inspect it. There is a large bolt at the bottom which I assume leads to some type of screen or filter or at least a sediment sump. One thing I noticed is that the fuel line seems way too long and it has some overly complicated plumbing connections to the tank. I noticed at the store I could get a fuel bulb with the right adaptors built-in.

ONE QUESTION: If I can't fix this by servicing the fuel pump and hose, is it permissable to put a small electric fuel pump near the tank? The reason I ask that is I did exactly that with a Ford diesel truck that had a weak mechanical fuel pump. It 's been perfect ever since. The 45 hp Elgin wouldn't need a big Holley fuel pump like that; I would think just a little transfer pump would do. But I want to make sure there are no safety issues. You'd want to be sure the fuel pump didn't keep running once the engine died.

One other thing -- this was the very first time I'd taken any boat out other than a tiller boat as a kid, and the first time in river current. I'd purchased a Motor Guide 54# trolling motor just in case something like this happened, and it DID get used for that last half mile or so. As it was, I just barely made the little inlet to the marina before the current would have taken me past. Like barely made by ten feet or so. The motor gave me about the same speed as the current or just a tad more. It was kind of hard judging which way to point the boat to compensate. Like a crosswind landing in a plane.

Sorry for this long post. Car, I hope you get your 235 straightened out!
 

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Re: evinrude 235 hp

This is an interesting thread for me as I have run into the exact same situation on a 1963 Elgin/Sears/McCulloch 45 hp. I hope this is not stealing the thread as the same fix may apply to both and it doesn't seem like a brand-specific thing.

Took the boat out for the first time last week since buying it. I put-putted around the little marina bay we have for a while, then headed out in the river. Same deal, up to approximately 50% throttle, ran perfectly, above that, would pop and miss. Not dramatically, but it was noticeable and obviously not developing full power.

I continued about 3 miles up the river, which turned out to be a mistake, as the popping and missing started occurring at a lower throttle setting and then the engine died. Initially, I thought the spark plugs were probably fouled, as my two-stroke motorcycles from the 60s would always do that, but I was aware it might be fuel starvation also.

It did surprise me when the motor started up again right away. This ruled out fouled plugs. Because it immediately restarted I also was sure the motor wasn't overheated. I then got back to within a mile from the marina before it died again although it would only take a quarter throttle or so. I couldn't get it started on the water again after that.

I'm assuming that the lower fuel level in the tank (it had used about 1 1/2 gallon) had to do with the increasing fuel starvation. I did try squeezing the fuel bulb enroute, as I can reach it, but wasn't absolutely positive on the effect. For one 30 second period it did seem to reduce the popping.

Tomorrow I will remove the fuel pump and inspect it. There is a large bolt at the bottom which I assume leads to some type of screen or filter or at least a sediment sump. One thing I noticed is that the fuel line seems way too long and it has some overly complicated plumbing connections to the tank. I noticed at the store I could get a fuel bulb with the right adaptors built-in.

ONE QUESTION: If I can't fix this by servicing the fuel pump and hose, is it permissable to put a small electric fuel pump near the tank? The reason I ask that is I did exactly that with a Ford diesel truck that had a weak mechanical fuel pump. It 's been perfect ever since. The 45 hp Elgin wouldn't need a big Holley fuel pump like that; I would think just a little transfer pump would do. But I want to make sure there are no safety issues. You'd want to be sure the fuel pump didn't keep running once the engine died.

One other thing -- this was the very first time I'd taken any boat out other than a tiller boat as a kid, and the first time in river current. I'd purchased a Motor Guide 54# trolling motor just in case something like this happened, and it DID get used for that last half mile or so. As it was, I just barely made the little inlet to the marina before the current would have taken me past. Like barely made by ten feet or so. The motor gave me about the same speed as the current or just a tad more. It was kind of hard judging which way to point the boat to compensate. Like a crosswind landing in a plane.

Sorry for this long post. Car, I hope you get your 235 straightened out!

hey buddy no problem anything helps
 

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Re: evinrude 235 hp

you have a classic fuel starve situation.check and be sure your fuel tank is vented ok,often the vents plug from bugs etc,if air cant get in,gas cant get out quick enough,a quick test there is loosen the cap,next,be sure your hoses arent kinkes anywhere,if you replaced the fuel lines,did you use 3/8 hose all the way,that engine needs lotsa gas,if you put an inline filter on,is it 3/8,the connections at the fuel tank often get plugged with debris,sometimes when brass fittings and the alum tank are put together,corrosion build up happens,did you try the squeezing the ball trick,you say you cleaned the carbs,did you take them apart and soak them in carb cleaning solution ,then blow through every passage with a carb spray,when you rebuilt the vro,did you change the pulse fitting that is on the hose to the engine,also the fitting at engine can get crud,as for the timerbase,look at the top of the throttle arm on the starbord side of the engine it should connectto the timer base with a little arm that has a plastic ball and socket,these plastics break,though I dont belive this is the prob,it can be in the fututre,keep ity in mind,check all the possibilities for fuel starving before tearing into carbs again,good luck,keep us posted

thanks man i am gonna check all this stuff out on my next day off the guy i bought the boat from also put a new tank in but when i was checking all the connections the one on the tank inside the tank is not servicable so i just back washed through the hose to make sure ir wasnt clogged it seemed ok and the vent is ok too thanks for everything i will let you know how everything works out
 

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Re: evinrude 235 hp

Is the spark rod connected between the timer base and the spark advance lever?
 

car23ny

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yea the rod is connected i think i have a float problem spark is good it is just not getting enough fuel at wot how do you adjust the float to get more fuel supplied
 

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hmmm,omc has an offical float guage tool(of course)the way i was shown,if you hold the carb with bowl off and let float drop,the measurement between the base of the carb(surface that bowl screws up to,and the outside(flat surface)of the carb furtherest opposite the needle (deepest point)should be about 1 inch ,give or take 1/8.when you turn the carb so the float is not dangleing ,with the needle seated ,the float should have a slight angle upward
 

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Re: evinrude 235 hp

hey guys i now replaced the fuel line from the tank to the engine every piece of fuek line has now been replace What i noticed today is that at about 3000 rpms on smooth water the engine will run staedy as soon as i start bouncing and hitting wakes the engine starts to surge like its getting gas then not is it possible that the floats are moving in a way that there opening and closing not allowing fuel ??its not anything to do with spark because when i have someone squeeze the ball it will run full throttle no problem



----and also when i drop the hammer from a dead stop the boat will reach almost top speed before it surges like its running out of gas!!
 

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I would take the fuel pickup out of the tank and inspect it. Have seen a bandaid sucked up in the fuel pickup before. The pickups also get loose at the top under the head and leak air. Also, the plastic tubes crack letting in air. Also, take the anti-siphon valve out and make sure the ball moves freely. They will collect sand and debris, and the ball will stick in the housing, preventing max fuel from getting through.
 

car23ny

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the pickup tube does not look serviceable on my tank it is just a fitting that screws into the top of the tank if you take the fitting off and look in the tank it looks like a tube is in there the guy i bought the boat from just replace the tank before i bought the boat he said he only put gas in it one time but the tank is new
 

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sent you a message before reading this,You may be on the track with this new post,I dont know what kind of built in tank or pick up you have BUT,most times when you remove the fitting,(usually an elbow,the pickup tube comes with it,something seems wrong here.If you can borrow or have a portable tank try running onthe tank and see what happens,Your pick up might be hitting bottom,can it be pulled out with a pliers ?It should be serviceable,it might as mentioned havesomething stuck in it,perhaps its too small.
 
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