Exhaust Riser Temp Sensors

jerry375

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Our boat has twin V8 Volvo Penta 5.0L GXI-B DP engines, S/N 4012062128 (Port) and S/N 4012062153 (Starboard). The boat's a 2002; we bought it in August 2007. We stored her on land for the winter, paying the boat yard to winterize and summerize. We launched on April 26th; on the way back to the marina, an audible alert went off in the engine compartment. The oil pressure, and water temp were fine, so, after checking the engines for something obvious, we proceeded to the marina (only a couple of miles from the boat ramp).

After closer inspection, I discovered the wire was off of the port engine outboard exhaust riser sensor, so I reconnected it and went for a test cruise. I idled out of the marina without the alarm sounding, but after about 30 seconds on plane the beeping started again. I immediately turned around and headed back in. Once back at idle, shutting-down and re-starting the port engine silences the alarm. I've changed both sea-water impellers and both thermostats; the only visible sign of trouble was a couple of missing impeller blades on the STARBOARD engine. I notice that the port engine gets up to temperature a little quicker than the starboard engine, but this may have been happening all the time and I just didn't notice. I was told that the engine with the power-steering pump will come up to temp a little faster than the other one, but I just didn't pay that close attention last season. I took her out after changing the sea-water pump impellers (no change) and again after changing the thermostats (again, no change).

I called my local boat dealer (where I purchased the parts) and the Service Manager suggested that, since the oil pressure/levels are good and I'm not exceeding 160 degrees (thermostat temp) when the alarm sounds, I should disconnect both exhaust riser temp sensors. He says they were problematic and have been discontinued on replacement risers. This makes me nervous. My instinct says to replace the sensors, but if they are worthless anyway, and have been discontinued, what would be the point? I've been too cautious to continue on plane to see if the engine temps even out, or if the port engine water temp continues to climb. What do you suggest?
 

Don S

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Re: Exhaust Riser Temp Sensors

They have NOT discintinued those sensors. They have changed them, they used to be 3861997, the new number is 3862500.

You probably only have one bad sensor. I would also get one of those IR Temp guns and check the rises. If you have been in salt water, the risers may be running hot. Are the engines raw water cooled, or do you have a heat exchanger?
 

jerry375

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Re: Exhaust Riser Temp Sensors

Don,

Thanks for the quick response. It's good to know that the sensors have not been discontinued, and thanks for the new part number.

I have borrowed a brand new Fluke IR temp gun from a colleague and will check out the riser temps, etc., this weekend.

Until we moved her to the Chesapeake Bay in August, she had spent her life in fresh water. The engines are raw water cooled.
 

jerry375

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Re: Exhaust Riser Temp Sensors

Well, I should have called this thread "Volvo-Penta Audible Alert" because that's really what I was reacting to when I began investigating the exhaust riser temp sensors as a possible cause. Between the IR Temp Gun and the Volvo-Penta Engine and EFI Diagnostic Shop Manuals, I finally figured out what was causing the alarm (and I was just about to see how to buy the Scan Tool to read the fault code).

I disconnected both of the port engine exhaust riser temp sensors and took her out. Same as always, about 30 seconds after getting up on plane the alert sounded. I disconnected the starboard exhaust riser temp sensors (just in case); no change. I took readings of the exhaust risers and thermostat housings with the IR Temp Gun; nothing was out of family. Oddly, the starboard engine water temp gauge went DOWN to 120 degrees and stayed there whenever I was up on plane, but this turned out to be a "Red Herring."

The next day, I read everything there was to read in the shop manuals and discovered that there are two kinds of alarms: 1) steady tone; 2) intermittent tone. I learned that if the ECM was detecting either low oil pressure, high water temp, or high exhaust temp, it would be a steady tone and go into "engine protect mode," limiting engine RMP to 2500. I was getting an intermittent (about once a second) tone and was cruising along at 3000 RPM.

I decided that the only thing left to do without a Scan Tool was a thorough visual inspection of both engines, focusing on the wiring. I got my shop light and inspection mirror and went below. I had read that the ECM has a water temp sensor (in addition to the water temp gauge sender), so I went looking for it, as well as the knock sensor. I finally found the water temp sensor on the starboard engine (since there was more room between it and the batteries than in-between engines); there it was below the spark plugs on the block. I had to really hunt for it on the port engine, and hadn't seen it before since the engines are so close together. Sure enough, the port engine water temp sensor wire was disconnected! I hooked it back up and out we went. No more audible alert. What a relief that it wasn't something more serious.

Now all I have to figure out is why my starboard engine water temp gauge is reading 120 degrees when the thermostat housing is in the low 150 degree range. I guess I'll open up a new thread on that.
 

skapreilian

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Re: Exhaust Riser Temp Sensors

Jerry thank you for your post - I also have twin Volvo 5.0 GXi's, and seeking help... I also have experienced intermittent beeping tone from the engine compartment, but only in relatively bumpy 3-4 foot seas....but after I shut the engine it goes away .... I was first thinking it could it be that the bumpy water doesnt allow enough water in to the engine and make it hot?...but that doesnt seem logical as we aren't talking 5,10 foot seas...also I notice a drop in engine performance (I believe) in both engines simulateneously when this occurs, but RPM is not limited to 2500 rpm....also it seems the bow wants to stay up when this occurs....all engine temp and oil gauges appear normal even when the intermittent beeping occurs....any ideas???

thanks
 
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