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Grub54891

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Nice set up. I'm just a bit Leary of the strength of electrical conduit.
 

Teamster

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You haul it down the road like that???

I hope nobody gets hurt or killed when the accident happens,.....................
 

kjsAZ

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You haul it down the road like that???

I hope nobody gets hurt or killed when the accident happens,.....................

+1.... If you would have used one of these folding Fulton parts and extended it 4' that way it would be great but electrical conduit isn't a material for a trailer tongue with that much weight and stress on it. I'm a fan of longer trailer tongues as they simply make the trailers behave better and launching and retrieving easier but not this way....
 

bfjou812

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I don't know what to say, there's so much wrong with the whole setup. I do wish you luck though.
 

krakatoa

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Thats pretty original but Maybe If you change that electrical conduit for a 3x3 galv tube could be better. Im still asking why you need such looong extension??
 

BigDfromTN

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I am not one to say "It wont work" to someone that is using something and its working for them.

I am curious about one thing. How can your tongue weight only be 75-100 pounds and the boat still pull right? As I recall tongue weight should be approximately 10% of your gross weight. With that in mind Im pretty sure a fiberglass bowrider with an I/O would weigh more than 750-1000 pounds.
 

oldjeep

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I am not one to say "It wont work" to someone that is using something and its working for them.

I am curious about one thing. How can your tongue weight only be 75-100 pounds and the boat still pull right? As I recall tongue weight should be approximately 10% of your gross weight. With that in mind Im pretty sure a fiberglass bowrider with an I/O would weigh more than 750-1000 pounds.

Meh - the 19ft bowriders and all my car trailers have never been even close to 10%. The factory trailer on my Bayliner 195 had maybe 100-125lbs of tongue weight for a 3000lb load. I can just barely lift up the tongue on my factory Malibu trailer (around 4800lbs) so guaranteed that it hasn't got 480lbs on it, closer to 200.
 

Maclin

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An extension like that is used to get the boat into and out of the water on a less than ideal slope and keep the tow vehicle mostly out of the water. You would not tow to the ramp with it extended. The extension would be used after you get to the ramp.

Having typed all of that, there still is a time when the tongue weight when fully extended would be past what those components could handle if anything but straight line maneuvering is involved. That means you would not extend the tongue until backed in, and then it seems to me that while performing the extension the trailer could continue on into the water without the tongue extension which is still attached to the hitch. Then, if you get to the actual retrieving you have to get to level ground to back the extension into the resting position, assuming the trailer must be chocked. Also there would be substantial stress load on that pipe within the conduit and also that bolt, not sure how all this really works outside of the driveway simulation. If the transition from the ramp to flat land is too abrupt then the extension can high center. So, ok, let's say we get it un-extended and locked in, now we are on the road with components not rated for the use even when not extended. Just compare the size of the square tubing on the frame to the size of the new components that replaced the original tongue.



This method shown in the link below may make more sense, just have a long tow rope attached securely to the tongue before unhooking :wink:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTYCLGVPzUc
 
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smokeonthewater

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Ron I compliment your creativity and attitude BUT listen to these guys.... Unless you live in a beach house and only use this on your own property PLEASE put it back until you can come up with a much more robust system... we would be glad to help you design it... Also IMHO you do not have enough tongue weight... I suggest increasing it
 

hungupthespikes

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Sorry Ron, I'd have to agree with others that it's not safe, but for a different reason. You are holding the 2 1/2 " conduit on with home made U-bolts. Think if you were just changing a coupler. Would you use U-bolts to hold the coupler onto the square tubing ?? :confused: :eek:
It needs bolts running through the square trailer frame and both conduits.
 

Mel Taylor

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Sorry Ron, I'd have to agree with others that it's not safe, but for a different reason. You are holding the 2 1/2 " conduit on with home made U-bolts. Think if you were just changing a coupler. Would you use U-bolts to hold the coupler onto the square tubing ?? :confused: :eek:
It needs bolts running through the square trailer frame and both conduits.

I agree.
 

kjsAZ

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The design tongue weight on this Escort trailer is 8-10% at the point the coupler was originally attached. If you extend the tongue the tongue weight at the new coupler location is reduced but the trailer will actually be more stable. Whenever you make the tongue longer at a given design the required tongue weight for the same stability goes down more than the extension reduces it. Pure dynamical physics and the way European trailers are designed to meet the <2.5% legal requirement to pass their initial technical approval and be allowed on the roads.

Tongue weight is a design parameter and not a physics constant. You can design to any percentage as long as it is >0%. This may lead to unpractical designs with tremendous tongue length, crazy requirements for the suspension and tire stiffness but it can be done. North America decided to go for 8-10% (for single axle) and 5-7% for tandems and more. Some trailer manufacturers recently changed and now have 5-10% for single axle trailers. If you compare them with their previous models they have now longer tongues and usually come with rubber torsion axles as they have better defined spring constants and the wheels always remain parallel to the frame.
8-10% allows a lot of room for error whereas a <2.5% spec requires intense calculations which makes the trailer deign a lot more expensive.

Nevertheless, the tongue extension as shown is more than dangerous and a real liability. Fortunately, at least for the implementer, negligence and stupid decisions are covered by car insurance companies in the US.
 
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