Extreme PC

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A suburb of Fort Worth which became known as "White Settlement" in the 1830's because it was the only "white settlement" in a region surrounded by many Native American tribes, is considering changing its name to "West Settlement" because city leaders want to boost its image & attract more business.
 

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This one doesn't bother me much as the City is trying to boost its image and grow. Doesn't appear from your post that anyone is "forcing" them to or that they are reacting to some outside pressure. This feels a little different than changing the mascot at a school to site a similar example.
 

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That's what I'm saying...apart from a few locals who are indignant about "ignoring history" & etc, it's not really bothersome at all...so that's where we are now, we all just assume that the name "White Settlement" stifles growth.<br /><br />A historical note: last year Home Depot moved out of town, and next year so will WalMart & Sams. Of course "moving out" means relocating a few blocks away. Significant blows to their tax base. And you're right, there's no outside pressure, or any kind of research, just some councilman or other thought of it.
 

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FWIW, White Settlement is named after its founder, a man named White. It has nothing to do with being a Honky town.
 

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> White Settlement is named after its founder, a man named White.
Then I recind my comments sort of. The city still needs to survive, no matter how the reputation etc. was earned or inadvertently associated.<br /><br />The more I think about it, I am conflicted (obvious by above stupid, contradictory statement). What about White Plains NY?
 
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We should ban the name: "White". Trouble is, allot of black folks have that name?<br /><br />Now what? <br /><br />It's a never ending spiral, to PC, with no good outcome.
 

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I don't understand what's politically incorrect about calling eachother white and black. That is what we ARE, isn't it? Has anyone here ever been offended because someone called you white? :rolleyes:
 

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I resent that!! I am not white. I am a sort of pinkish olive tan.<br /><br />Come to think of it, I think I would rather be called white than pink. :) <br /><br />Now, I have known a few "black" folks who were really black, but the overwhelming majority are some shade of brown to creamy tan; evidence, I think, of various degrees of caucasian/Asian/Hispanic/Native American genes or of evolution adapting them to our climate.<br /><br />Bottom line? My race is the human race, and so is that of every human I know, regardless of shade of skin, shape (and color) of eyes, width of nose and thickness of lips. Oh, and color and texture of hair, too. Did I leave something out?<br /><br />As far as I know, White Settlement has never attempted to exclude anyone based on any of the above labels. White Plains I can't speak for.<br /><br />Like most humans, I prefer the company of humans who share my values and culture. They come in all shades. So do humans with whom I would rather not do business or associate because they do not share my values or culture.<br /><br />That is human. Everybody does it. Some folks use inappropriate information (labels) to make those decisions. It is their loss.
 

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This is why I have repeated that there are only two races, the decent and the indecent. It's all that matters. How you behave in society, are you a positive or a negative. It's that simple for me.
 

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I agree with JB & QC about PC.<br /><br />Who lays down the rules though, who (or what) gives us the guidelines for decent and indecent? Do we rely on the majority rule, politicians or religion. Most would say religion, but which one? <br /><br />IMO it is a minefield, PC is one way that modern society is trying use to negotiate that minefield. Sometimes we step on one.<br /><br />Aldo
 
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JB Wrote:<br /><br />
Bottom line? My race is the human race, and so is that of every human I know, regardless of shade of skin, shape (and color) of eyes, width of nose and thickness of lips. Oh, and color and texture of hair, too. Did I leave something out?<br />
I could not agree more. That's why I "flinch" at the terms-African American or Native American.<br /><br />We're Americans-DANG IT!
 

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Dunaruna:<br /><br />We must each set our own guidelines for what is "decent" or "indecent". Don't count on a liberal or a conservative majority to do so. The law, based on our Constitution, may be concerned with what is decent and what isn't. That's their business.<br /><br />We choose our friends and our associates based on our own values and priorities, not someone else's.<br /><br />Decency is too judgemental a term for what I am talking about. If someone disagrees with your values, that doesn't make him/her wrong or indecent, it merely makes him/her not desirable company based on YOUR values and priorities.
 

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Agreed JB. I use the morality meter that my parents nurtured in me.<br /><br />My questions were more of a retorical nature.
 

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> Decency is too judgemental a term for what I am talking about.
This is truly just semantics then. Not my word choice, but somebody else's quote that I happen to have a lot of respect for, but I do know his intentions and I thought I had clarified with my negative positive addition. Anyway . . . in this context I intended decent and indecent to be equated with how you treat your fellow man. Examples:<br /><br />Suicide Bomber - indecent<br />Soldier who kills a civilian accidentally (or incidentally) while taking out a terrorist stronghold - decent<br />Bully at school - indecent<br />Bully who figures it out and apologizes and changes his behavior forever - decent<br />Catholic priest - decent<br />Catholic priest who molests children - indecent<br />Black man who raises his family the best he can - decent<br />White man who molests his children - indecent<br />Hispanic who toils at his own business - decent<br />Asian man who gambles his family's savings away - indecent<br />Texan who drinks fine Scotch on his porch while contemplating this discussion - decent<br />Texan who loots a television from a storefront in New Orleans while visiting - indecent<br />North Korean gov't - indecent<br />South Korean gov't - decent<br /><br />JB, IMHO, it is our duty to be judgmental. We are discriminating organisms. We have been taught the difference between good and evil and we "hold these truths to be self evident" although I really think that evidence came from monotheistic religions . . . not the point though, because I don't care how you arrive at decent behavior, just that you do . . . ;)
 

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Originally posted by DJ:<br /> I could not agree more. That's why I "flinch" at the terms-African American or Native American.<br /><br />We're Americans-DANG IT!
I agree. Black people are not african americans unless they were born in africa. Period. 99% of them have never been there and never will.
 

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ya know.... if you just live your lives within the realms of what your instinct tells you is moral, all these lil nuances that are considered racism will not be an issue. Quite frankly if they passed a law tomorrow saying we could no longer call a black man, black. I'd still call him black knowing there was no indecent inclination behind it and would carry on with my life. <br /><br />I would say 99% of people that are being called racists for using derogetory terms against one race or another, are not really racist at all. They are dealing with an individual that they consider to be trash, so they call them the corresponding slur that they know, will make that individuals blood boil. Its an easy way to take a punch without swinging a fist.<br /><br />I don't feel racism is even a problem in this country. Sure there are a few in any population, but, its just the few that are getting their feelings hurt and are using the media as their crutch, that are making public issues out of it.
 

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Originally posted by ZmOz:<br />
Originally posted by DJ:<br /> I could not agree more. That's why I "flinch" at the terms-African American or Native American.<br /><br />We're Americans-DANG IT!
I agree. Black people are not african americans unless they were born in africa. Period. 99% of them have never been there and never will.
While I respect that position, I can tolerate the term "African-American" without a problem; if it helps you feel better about yourself, have at it. Personally I'm more comfortable with "black" as an adjective even though it's usually not a precise descriptor, as JB pointed out.<br /><br />But I do resent the fact that the indigenous peoples of North America have co-opted the term "Native American" - I was born in America and therefore am a Native American who happens to be of European descent.
 

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Originally posted by jtexas:<br /><br />But I do resent the fact that the indigenous peoples of North America have co-opted the term "Native American" - I was born in America and therefore am a Native American who happens to be of European descent.
Cant callem indians as they are not from india? so what are they? I'm part souix but I cant recognize that now because ya cant call me indian and ya cant call me native american. :D besides i'm more irish than indian. :) I can find that on a globe.
 
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