Fiberglass 1982 Randall Craft Rebuild and Structural Changes

Gordon02

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[FONT=&quot]Back in January of this year, I bought this little 14' fiberglass boat on-line from a seller in Panama City. It was pouring rain when I got there and at a quick look, seemed to live up to the eBay listing and what the seller with 18 "Positive Feedbacks" said it was. I towed it home and parked it. A few days later, I tried pushing the boat/trailer by hand and for the first time - thought something was wrong. The boat was way too heavy for it's size. Light tapping on the floor of the boat with a hammer only increased my doubts about having found a "good boat". Several days of cutting, cleaning, and complete removal of the inside structure produced 305 pounds of rotted transom, flooring, foam, and poor repairs. The entire inner floor and transom support structures could be shoveled out like soil. The rot and damage were that bad.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Follow along over the next week or so and I'll show you how and what we did to rebuild and modify this little Fishing Boat from a rotten anchor to a sweet Stick-Steer boat. Yes, it's all done and has been running on the river now for more than a week. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Gordon/RTS[/FONT]

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PatinIdaho

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Sorry if im wrong but it kinda looks like your trying to drum up some business.
Pretty easy to load pics here! give it a try and let us see it!
 

sphelps

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Uhmmmm all I see are motorcycles and a few pics of some rotten boat .. This forum is our facebook ..
 

Gordon02

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I tried to load photos, but I kept getting messages about file exceeding the allowed space. I just tried using a web hosting site and pasteing a link into the post and it seems to be working. I'll keep Facebook out of here!

Thanks, Gordon

As you can see in these photos, someone took great care to "cover-up" the rot by carefully measuring and cutting a new sheet of plywood and then glassing it into place. A fresh coat of paint was installed and listed for sale. I removed all of the hardware and made those lines you see - those were my cut lines for the skillsaw and the 4" cut-off wheel I'd be using.

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The bow had been beached and damaged - so much damage in fact that the original wood keel was missing a 2 foot section and just rotted away. The PO had used a short piece of steel rebar laid in the inside of the bow and tied it with wire to hold it in-place. They then used polyester resin to make the repair look ok from 5 feet away. The transom was covered with a 25 horse Yamaha that was said to only need a carburetor jet. As you also see, the transom was long gone too. Outboard? When looking at getting it in shape, 3 of the 4 motor mounts are broke, there are more than a dozen SAE bolts and home-made brackets used and threaded into metric holes (it came with a Yamaha built Mariner), and it's missing important parts all over the engine. I lost count after I'd been quoted more than $580 for just the parts needed - not to mention the work and expense of getting the broken bolts and threads fixed. That's why I installed the little Johnson. Yes, that cut-away transom should have sent flags!


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Thanks Gordon much much better !
Yep the PO sure left you with a mess ...
Full gut job for sure ..
 

Gordon02

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While the days of January 2015 were some of the shortest we have all year, the many lists of things I had to do were their longest! We were expanding into packaging our own tool sets, building a new garage just to put things, and I had unknowingly stumbled into a "boat project".

About 10 years ago at a South Carolina boat show, I saw a boat on display that I really liked. It was a "Stick Steer" boat with a 35 Johnson outboard and a foot controlled trolling motor. That boat was $8,300 back then, but it was brand-new and I've wanted that little stick-steer ever since. This boat never started life made for stick-steering nor a 20" 35 Johnson. My rebuild process would re-design the transom structure, add knee braces where there weren't any before, use solid, White Oak keel and stringers where there weren't any, and use 100% composites "epoxied in-place" for the sides and flooring. These changes would make the hull several times stronger than when it came new - all while being no heavier than it was new.

These photos represent the 6 weeks of late January ~early March. I used 1/4" luan plywood for pattern transfers to the 1708 Fiberglass composites I'd make from resin and glass and the 1" White Oak lumber I found available in an old cabinet shop, and finally the 3/4" Marine Plywood, and 1" White Oak hardwoods. The floor and interior sides would be filled with "2 lb closed-cell pour-foam" and be structural those would be made using 3 layers of 1708 biaxial glass. Where the two pedestal seats would mount, I used 2 additional layers of 1708 (5 total where the seats mount).

Thanks for following along - Gordon/RTS

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Interested in seeing how your doing the deck . It's going to be a composite material ?
 

Gordon02

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Yes, composite panels that I would make myself using those luan patterns - more on that in another segment. I wanted to focus on the backbone and develop the strongest transom and flooring structure I could. I cut and shaped the 1.5" transom first. I knew two pieces of 3/4" Marine Plywood was over-kill for most 14' boats, but I also knew I'd be hanging a jack-plate on this one and wanted the option of using a 20" or 15" on here - something the homemade jack lets me do. The transom plywood was given two wet-coats of penetrating Epoxy before assembly. I used Epoxy Resin on all of the transom layers - starting with the original fiberglass hull-1708 biaxial glass - 3/4" marine plywood - 1708 biaxial glass - and finally the 2nd layer of 3/4" marine plywood. I used long C-Clamps, wooden vises, and a long 3" wood screw and washer through the drain hole to provide the clamping needed.

The White Oak keel and stringers were cut to shape and the edges rounded with a router to perfectly fit the grooves in the hull. They were then given two wet coats of "penetrating epoxy" and allowed to dry/cure. I laid 1 continuous 12" layer of 1708 with Epoxy in each section of hull as a bedding layer. On top of that fabric layer, I used a 1" bed of " Epoxy peanut butter" in those grooves before placing the 3 White Oak sections in-place. I made the peanut butter using US Composites' f fine saw-dust flour and Epoxy. Once those sections were placed and braces attached to hold them completely vertical, weight was added for 4 days to be sure they were cured in-place. All of this was allowed to cure before the boat was flipped and the bottom rebuilt. The bow section of the keel would need to be built from the inside out, so that keel member had to be firmly in-place/cured.

Best Regards, Gordon

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I know I mentioned that I had a lot going on during this rebuild period. With other demands (who doesn't have those?), I had plenty of down-time when I couldn't get to my shop so I would read and research the uses of both Polyester and Epoxy Resins. My personal experiences with both showed amazingly different results when the two were used. Here are the lessons I learned during my research and build project -

Polyester Resin (PR for short) - is not a great glue/adhesive. It will not "grab and hold" two objects together.
PR is great for laminating fiberglass fabrics together when "wet" layers of fabrics are laminated together and allowed to cure "as one". PR structures become a super-strong and durable panel/part when they cure "as one". PR is not great at putting already cured panels or pieces together or in-place. Epoxy is much, much better at doing that.
PR is much easier to "wet" fabric for laminating with regard to absorption and spreading - however, work time is much shorter. I found that 12~16 ounces of Polyester Resin was the most I could handle/manage at a time. I would measure out multiple cups of resin in the usable increments to best match the needs of that time, but would not add the hardener/activator until I had fabric, new roller, brush and plan ready. Work time could be 2 minutes to 5 minutes depending on the weather. Mixed PR will harden/flash much quicker in the container than it will rolled out on your panels. I lost a couple of "cups" of mixed PR because I took too long to get it rolled out. Count on using a roller or brush "1-time" and only 1 batch when using PR. It starts hardening that fast.
PR good points - panels and pieces can be worked and sanded in hours - not days like Epoxy Resin.
Most important - Only PR will dissolve the bonding of normal fiberglass "mat". Epoxy Resin will NOT dissolve the bonding chemicals used in making mat. The 1708 biaxial fabric is stitched together and not bonded so the Epoxy Resin was OK to use.
PR does not like bonding to Epoxy Resin. You can go the other way and bond Epoxy Resin to PR, but not PR to Epoxy Resin - Be sure you remember this important characteristic.

Epoxy Resin (ER for short) - is a fantastic glue/adhesive when putting fiberglass panels, wood, or materials together. The best demonstration I can give is the "roller bond". At the end of each segment of lamination, I would take the brush and roller off the handle. I'd lay both on the plywood top that I used as a mixing station. A 4" roller was the tool I'd use more than any other tool - no matter what the resin - Polyester or Epoxy. Once cured, the PR saturated roller could be removed with the tap of a hammer to it's side or end. The ER saturated roller was permanent. When you hit it hard enough to move it - you pulled the plywood fiber and core material from the plywood. The bond was that magical and that much stronger - it transformed that cardboard and fabric roller into a solid, strong object capable of pulling/ripping the very fiber out of left-over 3/4 Marine Plywood - Amazing stuff!

ER, even the thinner "laminating epoxy" I used from US Composites was more difficult to "wet" the 1708 fabric with. The good news here is that ER gives you a lot more time. I could easily go 10 ~15 minutes working time with the ER before the roller would start getting sticky. Cured Epoxy must be cleaned and prepped before additional layering/applications can be done. The ER develops a waxy film during the cure. Soap and water are needed to get rid of that film. Then sanding, prepping, and wipeing down with isopropyl for the next application was followed over and over during the many lamination cycles.

All of the panels - floor, transom boxes, backwash tray, deck, and inside walls were all made using Polyester Resin and 1708 fabric (17 ounce bi-axial fabric). I used luan to make the panel patterns. I pre-cut the fabric layers and number of plies to be used to include the 2 square footprints for each of the seats pedestals . Once test-fitted, I would spread plastic on my worktable and move the luan plywood onto it. Two coats of Mold Release was applied and allowed to dry (about 30 minutes). I then poured the PR onto the flat surface and layer the number of fiberglass fabric I wanted for the panels. My floors would be 3 layers thick + 2 layers where the seat pedestals would be - a total of 5 in those high-stress areas. After about 3 hours, the wooden pattern could be pulled away and the fiber panel left to cure.

I would use ER to join every piece of lumber into the hull, transom, and deck. Stainless and Brass screws were combined with ER to form those tenacious bonds described earlier. All of the PR Fiberglass panels were bonded to the boat using the Epoxy. All tabs (small layers of fabric strengthening a joint) where the transom, stringers, keel, transom knee braces, interior sides, and seat pedestals joined the hull or deck were done with ER and 1708. I used 11 gallons of Polyester Resin and 10 gallons of Epoxy Resin on this project.

Next time, I'll talk about the pour foam experience. Not at all what I thought it would be - excitement was missing for sure........

First photo is the center floor panel ready for PR/Fabric
Second photo is the two interior side panels - the same luan pattern was used, just flipped and the other side coated with two layers of Mold Release.
Third photo is the rear floor panel with it's 3 layers of 1708 and the 2 layers for the seat pedestal. Because I wanted these to be "as one" - I laid these layers out all at one time. The flooring panels were too big for me to handle all at once and I would have needed 3 people helping, so I did the floor in 3 sections (rear, middle, bow).
Fourth photo shows how those luan panels were used as patterns to make the 3 flooring panels. The bow form was more complex, so I used the frame you see here to get the exact fit I wanted before transferring that to a solid panel I would then use as the pattern base during laminating.

Regards, Gordon

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