For France:

boatingfool

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<br /><br />Who Stands Alone: <br /><br />Eleven thousand soldiers lay beneath the dirt and stone, all buried on a distant land so far away from home. <br /><br />For just a strip of dismal beach they paid a hero's price, to save a foreign nation they all made the sacrifice. <br /><br />And now the shores of Normandy are lined with blocks of white, Americans who didn't turn from someone else's plight. <br /><br />Eleven thousand reasons for the French to take our side, but in the moment of our need, they chose to run and hide. <br /><br />Chirac said every war means loss, perhaps for France that's true, for they've lost every battle since the days of Waterloo. <br /><br />Without a soldier worth a dam to be found in the region, the French became the only land to need a Foreign Legion. <br /><br />You French all say we're arrogant. Well hell, we've earned the right - We saved your sorry nation when you lacked the guts to fight. <br /><br />But now you've made a big mistake, and one that you'll regret; you took sides with our enemies, and that we won't forget. <br /><br />It wasn't just our citizens you spit on when you turned, but every one of ours who fell the day the towers burned. <br /><br />You spit upon our soldiers, on our pilots and Marines, and now you'll get a little sense of just what payback means. <br /><br />So keep your Paris fashions and your wine and your champagne, and find some other market that will buy your aero planes. <br /><br />And try to find somebody else to wear your French cologne, for you're about to find out what it means to stand alone. <br /><br />You see, you need us far more than we ever needed you. America has better friends who know how to be true. <br /><br />I'd rather stand with warriors who have the will and might, than huddle in the dark with those whose only flag is white. <br /><br />I'll take the Brits, the Aussies, the Israelis and the rest, for when it comes to valor we have seen that they're the best. <br /><br />We'll count on one another as we face a moment dire, while you sit on the sideline with a sign "friendship for hire." <br /><br />We'll win this war without you and we'll total up the cost, and take it from your foreign aid, and then you'll feel the loss. <br /><br />And when your nation starts to fall, well Frenchie, you can spare us, just call the Germans for a hand, they know the way to Paris.
 

KennyKenCan

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So well said.<br /><br />Thank you boatingfool .<br /><br />This should be on the front page of every American newspaper.
 

martyscher

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Certainly a compelling post, but I have to disagree with the point.<br /><br />America and probably France too, has never based their country's foreign policies on "friendship". It is political and/or economic interests, that is usually (and should be) the driver.<br /><br />The Allies did not storm Normandy beach to save France. <br /><br />We were fighting to conquer an ever-expanding regime, that within time, would pose a very serious threat to the Allies and their free way of life.<br /><br />Sure the French should be grateful, but if they are not (and many French are grateful), so what?<br /><br />France had their own reasons for not joining the coalition and obviously frienship was not one of them.<br /><br />Concerning "saving" France again, the allies would do it again in a heartbeat, if it was in our best interest to do so.<br /><br />Marty
 

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U.S. Boycott Being Felt, French Say <br />Wine Sales Off Sharply; Other Products Affected <br /><br />By Robert J. McCartney<br />Washington Post Foreign Service<br />Wednesday, April 16, 2003; Page A32 <br /><br />PARIS, April 15 -- An American backlash against French products and businesses has started to bite, dashing hopes here that appeals in the United States to punish France economically for opposing the war in Iraq would go unheeded. <br /><br />American importers of French wine are reporting sharp drops in sales in the past two months, and other French products also have been affected. The Federation of Wine Exporters has called a meeting Thursday to discuss how to respond. <br /><br />The nation's principal business federation took the unusual step of publicly acknowledging the problem, conceding today that sales, recruitment and business contacts have been hurt. It appealed to consumers and businesses to keep political differences from affecting commerce.<br /><br />"Certain French enterprises are suffering today from the differences that have arisen among states over the Iraqi question," the Movement of French Enterprises (Medef) said. "It is necessary to say to those who are unhappy with the positions of French diplomacy that they are free to criticize, but they must keep products and services of our enterprises outside their quarrel."<br /><br />Medef President Ernest-Antoine Seilliere said at a news conference that the effects were "measured" but that contracts had been lost because of anti-French feeling in the United States. He declined to identify the companies affected. <br /><br />The business federation provided no figures on the effect on French exports to the United States, which last year were valued at $28.4 billion.<br /><br />The French government and business community had hoped that U.S. "francophobia" would dissipate quickly without hurting trade. Both fear that French companies will be excluded from contracts in rebuilding Iraq.<br /><br />The widespread view in Paris had been that calls in the U.S. media and from some politicians for commercial retaliation against the French were having little or no effect.<br /><br />The news that the boycott is significant will also increase pressure on President Jacques Chirac from business and some members of his party to mend relations with Washington. Chirac's government has toned down its antiwar talk, and French officials have emphasized the need for pragmatism and moderation regarding sensitive issues such as how postwar Iraq is to be governed. <br /><br />Chirac telephoned President Bush yesterday. The leaders, speaking for the first time in two months, had what U.S. aides characterized as a "businesslike" conversation.<br /><br />The French Foreign Ministry today declined to comment on the French business federation's statement, saying the government didn't respond to private declarations. French officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, reiterated their previous position that they didn't expect any significant reduction of business with the United States. They noted that while American tourism in France is down by about 20 percent, it had dropped even more in Britain, whose troops also fought in Iraq.<br /><br />The American backlash apparently is having little or no impact on business with Germany, the other major European country that actively opposed the war. A survey by the Association of German Chambers of Commerce and Industry of more than 300 German companies doing business in the United States found no effect.<br /><br />"It could be that France's position is considered to be fundamental, and ours is considered to be more or less an accident, in connection with the elections we had last autumn," said Michael Rogowski, president of the Federation of German Industries in Berlin. He referred to Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's exploitation of antiwar sentiment to win reelection in September.<br /><br />German business groups and the German Embassy in the United States have scheduled a meeting in Washington next month with U.S. businesses and politicians to try to make sure that no difficulties arise in U.S.-German trade.<br /><br />U.S. importers of French products said the effect has been significant. Guillaume Touton, a Frenchman who is president of wine distributor Monsieur Touton Selection Ltd. in New York, said anti-French feeling cost him $500,000 in sales last month. French wines usually account for two-thirds of his business, but now his customers, mostly retail stores, want something else. <br /><br />"Typically, the guy says, 'No, I don't want French wine. Give me Spanish wine, Italian wine,' " said Touton, who has an office in Capitol Heights, Md.<br /><br />W.J. Deutsch & Sons Ltd. of White Plains, N.Y. -- the No. 1 U.S. importer of French wines, as measured by cases shipped -- said its sales dropped 10 percent in the past two months. Bill Deutsch, its president, wouldn't divulge specific figures but said his sales were down by hundreds of thousands of dollars. <br /><br />"We have seen French wines decreasing," Deutsch said. "We've seen stores take French wines off the floor of their store. We've seen major chains stop the advertising of French wines in their weekly ads." He reported substantial increases in sales of Italian, Australian and Spanish wines.<br /><br />Patricia Carreras, president of IC&A Inc., a home-decor business in New York that imports exclusively French products, said sales have been down 40 to 50 percent since February. Her small firm, with four employees, sells Limoges porcelain, hand-painted candles picturing Parisian scenes, and other French-oriented products to big mail-order houses and other large U.S. companies.<br /><br />"It's a very, very deep reaction," said Carreras, who is French. "We would never have expected something so lasting. I think it has been accelerating even in the last four weeks." <br /><br />The importers, angry and frustrated, said the government in Paris did not comprehend the effect of its war position on French businesses.<br /><br />Touton has tried to fight the trend by pledging to give $1 for every case of wine he sells to the USO to help U.S. troops in Iraq. He has done it for two weeks but it hasn't helped much. He said he thinks that business will pick up only when Chirac stops making anti-U.S. statements. <br /><br />"We want to send the message to the French side to please do something. Or, if you don't want to do anything, then please shut up," Touton said.
 

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I see your points Marty, quibble in a few areas. First, it was a survival situation for all of us, and terming that as political is an understatement. Survival for us because if Germany had been allowed to reconstitute, we would eventually have been in trouble. We could have chosen to let it play out over there because maybe Russia and England could have beaten them though not likely, so I agree that we had to get involved. This is a similar situation in that there is a threat that must be dealt with or it could grow to the fundamentalist islamic threat that could eventually roll over us. France is in the same boat as we all are, but to minimize their damages, they undermine and hurt our effort. They would not be a soverign nation but for us and they do owe us that. Chicken S__t's. Low down @#$%%77 @#%%'s.
 

martyscher

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I agree with ya on the expletives, SCO. Personally, I really don't want them to me my friend, anyway.<br /><br />France has always had poor leadership. Maybe that's why they're so "angry" at everybody else.<br /><br />Boycotting French products is both patriotic and certainly an American right, but I am hard-pressed to believe, that there are no American companies, that will not suffer because of it.<br /><br />Marty
 

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I don't like boycotts either, but in this case I am glad that we are getting their attention. If we simply say we agree to disagree, they will happily stab us in the back again.
 

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I thought you guys might enjoy this article about poor old Jacques...it's no fun being irrelevant when you've got a super-sized ego... :D <br /><br /> <br />Chirac high on list of casualties <br /><br />19.04.2003<br />By CATHERINE FIELD <br />Eating humble pie is not something that comes easily to Jacques Chirac. Accustomed to the flunkies and gilt splendour of the Elysee Palace and his ego nicely inflated by last year's election victories, the word humility has not been in the French President's lexicon for some time. <br /><br />So, faced with France's biggest diplomatic setback in decades, Chirac is groping for discretion and dignity as he beats a retreat over his Iraqi policy. <br /><br />He hopes some soothing words, a few concessions and a swing of fortune's pendulum will ease his international isolation and ward off US reprisals against his country....<br /><br /> ...more <br /><br /> ;)
 

62_Kiwi

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This is funny :D (click on the chirac link below)<br /><br />A US servicemen's group has taken over a website set up by French President Jacques Chirac, who infuriated Americans with his opposition to the war in Iraq. <br /><br />Type in http://www.chiracaveclafrance.net - set up by Chirac as part of his re-election campaign last year, and you get the United Service Organisations (USO), a site "Proudly Serving The Men & Women Who Serve Our Country!"<br /><br />The French president angered US President George W Bush by blocking US attempts to secure United Nations approval for war in Iraq. <br /><br />When the lease on the domain name for Chirac's website expired on March 31, 11 days after the outbreak of war, USO snapped it up, the daily Le Figaro reported on Friday. <br /><br />Chirac supporters wanting to relive his 82 percent landslide in May's presidential run-off now find an advert offering for sale "Hero Beanie Baby", a teddy bear in camouflage uniform. <br /><br />USO was not immediately available to explain why it had moved into the website - USO's homepage can also be accessed via http://www.uso.com. <br /><br />A spokesman at Chirac's official Elysee Palace residence was also unavailable for comment.
 

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boatingfool, did you pen that? If you did, you should sign it. Dammmmm fine job.
 

12Footer

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There are many American companies and individuals, who , through no fault of thier own, will suffer great financial losses from the rift forming between our countries.<br />I feel bad for them on one hand, and see I told ya so on the other.<br />Sure, it's not thier fault, and they are for the most part,people just like me with hard waorking American families to support. But this is the dark side of capitalism. If you are suporting your family by selling widgets for your gizmo, and someone invents a widget-free gizmo---<br />You best get the new ones, or find another line of work.<br />But thats the beauty of capitalism.<br />Even tho nobody wants to harm the American importer, but he best get off his American but, and see how much he can get Iraqi rugs for, and what the rug markets will bear, or go file for unemployment (another fine American institution).<br />As for my own tastes. They have been deeply efected by the government of France. Whenever I think about Brie, I see the picture of the Normany Beach in my mind.
 
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