force 125 conecting rod

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I have put a new power head on my 1986 125 force twords the end of the season of 06 the seconed time out this year im shure i smoked a counecting rod barring my local marriena says put a new power head in at $3.000 i dont think so my question is can you pull the crank shaft cover without pulling the power head ,carbs and disconecting all the linkage? any help is vary much appreacated as im sure i will have more questions as i get into this project
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kevin
 

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Re: force 125 conecting rod

I have put a new power head on my 1986 125 force twords the end of the season of 06 the seconed time out this year im shure i smoked a counecting rod barring my local marriena says put a new power head in at $3.000 i dont think so my question is can you pull the crank shaft cover without pulling the power head ,carbs and disconecting all the linkage? any help is vary much appreacated as im sure i will have more questions as i get into this project
thank you
kevin

In a word: NO.
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: force 125 conecting rod

First, tell me why you think you ruined a connecting rod. Did you hear it rattling? Did it bend and lock up the engine? Did you throw it through the side of the block? More common damage is to melt a piston due to detonation.

You do not need to remove the powerhead or disassemble it to replace a piston or a connecting rod.

You simply remove the carb and manifold for the affected cylinder(s). Pull the reed plates and Vee blocks. Now, through the hole, using a 1/4 inch drive, 1/4 inch 12 point socket, remove the cap screws. Remove the head and push the piston and rod out. Be careful to recover all 16 rollers and two (halves) roller cages

HOWEVER: When a connecting rod goes bad (rattles with a different sound than detonation) it usually spalls the rollers and galls crankshaft crank pin. That makes the crank useless and you must buy a used one or a reground one. That also requires a complete disassembly. If the engine has scored one or more cylinders, that also requires disassembly and re-boring.

So, depending upon what the damage actually is, you may be better off buying a used engine or block and rebuilding it. If you do the work yourself, it will take 10-15 hours and parts will cost around 700-1000 assuming the crank and rods are not damaged.
 
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Re: force 125 conecting rod

when I picked the moter up with trim moter I pulled the 4 spark plugs and while turning the flywheel by hand I heald a pen in each spark plug hole the # 1 cylnder would hesitate at the bottom before comming up the top of the pistion head was dry and you can see where it hit the spark plug. you can belive this or not but my wife had the boat she said it was running o.k. at full throtel it seemed to lose rpm or go into a stall but come back she stoped to go swiming about an hour the boat would not start a boater near by offered to help switched to duel batteries it started with a bad rattel the man than shut it down and towed my wife in I started it one time after to hear the noise sorry i havent replied sooner i was at the 1000 islands this weekend its brutal there without a boat
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Frank Acampora

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Ahhh---The 1000 Islands. Beautiful. I used to live in N.Y. State and cruised the Hudson up to Canada then the St. Lawrence Seaway down to the Eisenhower Locks.--Never got to the islands with my boat though. Is there still an amusement park called La Rhonde at Isle St. Helene in Montreal?

Typically, the engine is running great at full throttle , then suddenly for apparently no reason it starts to lose speed. Then it makes a rattling noise and may stall.---It's too late. The damage has already been done. If you decide to repair the engine, you must look for the reason it went lean on the one cylinder. For some reason, gas was not getting to one carb in enough volume. And even if one carb serves two cylinders, it is also usual for only one of them to be damaged. First action is the remove the head and actually see the damage.

Anyway, if the piston looks dry, chances are relatively good that it was running very lean. I would bet that when you pull the head, you are going to see some sort of melt damage at least on the exhaust port side of the piston. Usually if they get bad enough to stop the engine and if you can hear the rattle, then you are going to need to disassemble the engine and bore the affected cylinder oversized.

Once you remove the head and assess the damage, you can decide on a course of action. These engines are easily repairable by the average handyman and very few special tools are needed. Cost is usually low in comparison to buying a new engine and satisfaction level is high. If you decide to repair, there are many posts in the forum which you can search.
 
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Re: force 125 conecting rod

First I want to thank you Frank for all your help the clanking sound didnt start untill after the moter was re started. tonight if it stops raining i will pull the head let you know tommrow what i found. if the damage was done by a lean mixture i still have to pull the top carb the way you described to get to the conecting rod berring. anything i should look for?
The trip you took sounds like alot of fun. i went through Montreal only once and that was about 82 with the boat on the trailer. that was a 57 owens with a 35 h.p. evenrude.great moter at the islands i stay between cape vincent (st larwence & lake ontario meet) and alexndriea bay about 15 miles up river.we go to the locks about every 5 years
thanks again youve been a great help
kevin
 
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I pulled the head last night all the pistions & cylinders looked good the bad or problem piston witch is the top pistion had a littie nick on the top head but the lower side of the pistion witch put a little nick in the cylinder head nothing serious i think! i cleand it up with a fine file & emery clouth nothing on the cylinder walls from the nick the side wall of that cylinder has a little indention you could baerly notice to the touch.the pistion hade the same movement as the rest of the pistions except up and down it travels farther witch explanes the nick in the head. that pistion head was covered with something almost like a tar not sout the others almost clean but not gaskit leak clean. i started to pull the top carb im sure its a conecting rod berring when i pull the top carb will i be able to inspect the crank?and replace the berring
thanks again
kevin
 

Frank Acampora

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If you remove the top carb, the manifold , and reed plates, you will be able to see the big end of the rod. Since the rod cap has a slit in it you will also be able to partially see the rollers.

While a helper jiggles the piston, look at the rod big end it should not move at all on the crankpin. If it is moving side to side or in and out on the crankpin, then it is almost sure that the rollers or rod or crankpin are bad.

So then, the next step would be to remove the cap from the affected rod and see if there is damage to the crankpin. It is hardened and polished so if it is pitted or spalled, the crank is bad. Hopefully you caught it befor any major damage was done.

You need a 12 point 1/4 inch socket, 1/4 inch drive to remove the rod cap bolts. 3 bucks at any Sears.
 
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I pulled the top carb it is the berrings if the crank is ok is it possable to change the berring through that port? do i have to pull the crank cover ? also why is the carberator intake port on the top piston look dry when the rest of the the berrings & ports have puddles of oil ? the moter didnt feel like it was running rough misfiring or running on 3 cylinders
thanks again kevin
 

jim_b_20653

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Re: force 125 conecting rod

I recently replaced the powerhead on my 1988 125 due to low compression on the bottom cyl. So I have a good crankshaft and rods from that one if you need them.
 
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Thanks jim ill let u know i hope to get into it this weekend but im going out of town next week (work) Illget a hold of u if i can
thanks kevin
 
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hi jim do u know where i can find the model# & serial# on my 125 how much do you need to get for the connecting rod ?
kevin
 

mreinsmith

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Re: force 125 conecting rod

Model and serial should be on a plate on the transom bracket. Unless it's not original to the boat?
 

jim_b_20653

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Re: force 125 conecting rod

I have several. I will see if I can seperate one from a piston this evening. Send me a private message with your e-mail and I'll send you a picture.
 
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