Found Zodiac in trash bin

hohmanr

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During my annual process of cleaning up & cleaning out my boat for winterization, I discovered a 10ft Zodiac in the yards trash bin...While it clearly looks like it has seen better days, it's a 1992 that holds air no problem.. As a winter time project this thing could come out of the basement looking like a gem... My only concern are the logistics of getting it registered. I don't want to invest a minute and not be able to register it... Any idea's out there on what to do ??
 

crazy charlie

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Re: Found Zodiac in trash bin

Dont put a motor on it and you wont have to register it.At least here in NY thats how it works.Charlie
 

crazy charlie

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Re: Found Zodiac in trash bin

By the way,check the transom.Most were trashed because the transoms were falling off that year.Charlie
 

cobra 3.0

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Re: Found Zodiac in trash bin

Here in Canada as long as it's 9.9 hp or less, no registration is required. (Registration is free in Canada)
 

BillP

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Re: Found Zodiac in trash bin

If it has a motor on it Florida requires registration...no matter what the hp. In cases like yours, a bill of sale and/or filling out a state form that basically says you own the boat legally will get a title and registration.<br /><br />Each state has their own rules so I would recommend contacting your local state registration agency for what they want. I'll wage a guess the minimum will be a bill of sale.
 

18rabbit

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Re: Found Zodiac in trash bin

I love dumpster diving!!! :) <br /><br />Sea_Hag_Avondale - I have a lot of experience with inflatables. My suggestion is to put it back in the trash.<br /><br />Zodiac (the brand name) was launched into popularity as a diving boat by Jacque Cousteau when he was involved in making all those wonderful TV specials. (fwiw, in the mid 1940’s Cousteau was the co-inventor of the demand-regulator technology that is still used by scuba divers today.)<br /><br />That piece of trash that you pulled out of the trash is made out of vinyl. Granted, vinyl on steroids, but vinyl nonetheless. It is constructed using a chemical weld process. In the early 90’s Sevylor (I believe that was the company) ran into problems when their chemical-weld vinyl boats came apart in the sun…on the ocean…with people in them.<br /><br />Today, everyone that knows and loves inflatables avoid Zodiac and Sevylor as inferior products. Zodiac is owned by the French company, Bombardier. This is the same company that bought the bankrupt OMC (Johnson/Evenrude) a couple of years ago. Local folks that work on OMC outboards tell me Bombardier gave OMC a hugh injection of quality that the old, fledgling OMC lacked.<br /><br />Bombardier/Zodiac make a line of inflatable boats called Hurricane. They do not say Zodiac on them. These are quality boats. Several branches of the military and USCG use these boats in various configurations. The Hurricane is made out of hypalon, a multi-layer synthetic material developed by DuPont. There is a durable cloth impregnated outer layer that is impervious to most chemicals, fuels, and uv from the sun. Underneath are neoprene layers to make the material airtight. Hypalon is joined with two-part epoxy. It is wicked cool stuff. Hypalon is very durable and very repairable.<br /><br />When speaking of commonly available boats, probably the best-made inflatables are from Novarina, an Italian company. There are over 90 different companies that make inflatables in Italy alone. Novarina developed the inflation valves used by a bunch of the other boat manufacturers. Great product can be had from AB and from Carib, both made in Venezuela. Hurricane (Canada), Avon (England) and Achilles (Japan) are also high quality boats. All of these brands make only hypalon inflatables. And Quicksilver makes a good hypalon boat, too!<br /><br />Last year a local fellow returned from a 6-year sailing adventure in his 42-ft boat. He took a Zodiac tender with him. Not long after leaving he was in the area of Venezuela when the vinyl Zodiac came apart. He bought a hypalon Carib. Says it was the best decision he made. I bought the Carib from him when he returned. BTW, I bought it from him on E-bay. :) <br /><br />I also have an 18-ft Avon RIB (Rigid Inflatable Boat) that is used for diving. It is a fiberglass boat with hypalon tubes. It was made in 1975…coming up on 30-years of use.<br /><br />I would not own, and I would not allow my children to go out in any vinyl boat.
 

airman

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Re: Found Zodiac in trash bin

I have a PVC boat, made by Bombard (Zodiac). It works very well. It was 1/2 the cost of a Hypalon model, and will last approximately 1/2 as long. By the time I wear this one out my needs will have changed so I think that's a good deal. Many of my neighbours have PVC boats as well, and none of them have died either. If I was in the southern sun, I would keep it covered when not in use. As a rule I keep mine covered anyways. They'll last virtually forever if you store them correctly. PVC is much more sensitive than Hypalon to UV but other than that, it's very good stuff. Like Charlie says, take a good look at the transom joint before you go any further.
 

18rabbit

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Re: Found Zodiac in trash bin

Airman - Sounds like you take exceptionally good care of your boat. It will probably have a longer service life then you expect. In general, inflatables tend to be exposed to a lot of hard usage/abuse. Hypalon holds up where vinyl doesn’t.<br /><br />Sea-Hag_Avondale – your Zodiac was free. If you have no expectations it can’t hurt to play with it over the winter and see what you can come up with.<br /><br />Also consider the one area where there is not a lot of room for compromise…where there is a potential for loss of human life. Zodiac makes and sells a lot of throw-over life rafts…those nifty, self-inflating orange camping tents made to float in the open ocean. They have to meet high quality standards for USCG approval. But they are not subjected to regular use and they spend most of their life in a can on deck.
 

airman

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Re: Found Zodiac in trash bin

Rabbit, Thanks, I do expect it to last a while. It's the only boat I've ever bought new, and likely the only one I ever will, at least until I need a new inflatable. I sympathize with your concerns about vinyl but I think that most of the problems are caused by poor storage. Hypalon puts up with UV way better and if I was going on a southern cruise, towing it behind me, Hypalon would be the only choice. A badly abused Hypalon boat can sink too, but they do take it better. Sea Hag, have you considered calling the local coast guard office?
 

hohmanr

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Re: Found Zodiac in trash bin

I appreciate the feedback all...I had no idea there was such a large difference in quality amongst inflatibles...(boats that is). <br /><br />I'll spend the hard winter in RI going over it with a sharp eye to see if this thing ought to be pitched back in the dumpster...<br /><br />In the mean time I've got one more toy in inventory for a grand total of 3 boats..I'm really livin now !!!<br /><br />Thanks again....
 

cheftim

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Re: Found Zodiac in trash bin

Hey Rabbit,<br /><br />I'm looking into an inflatable for fishing while camping out on Race Point Cape Cod. <br />Can you help me understand the concept behind RIBs? It seems to negate the ease of use of the regular inflatable because you can't pack it up. Is the attraction simply the stability? Just trying to understand the breed in making a decision towards one or the other.
 

18rabbit

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Re: Found Zodiac in trash bin

Inflatable boats are flexible. Makes them very lightweight and easy to transport…roll ‘em up and go. It also means they are limited in the hp they can tolerate before scrunching…and forget about any planing with the boat. The way around these drawbacks is to use the bottom from a ‘regular’ boat to facilitate getting on plane and support the transom for the add’l hp, but keep the inflatable tubes for stability and reduced weight. Worked. A RIB gives you the best of both worlds…and the compromise of add’l cost, add’l weight and lack of portability, compared to a traditional inflatable. RIB’s live on a trailer, not the trunk of your car.<br /><br />In between an inflatable and a RIB is an inflatable boat with a rigid, snap in keel. It stresses the hypalon bottom extremely tight and allows the boat to come up on plane easily. It has the advantages of a removable rigid floor and keel and can be rolled up and tossed into the trunk of your car. I have a tender that is a 10-ft Carib C-32 with snap in keel. Breaks down and stows in 3 bags, about 150lbs total. With the 15hp Yamaha it will toss 2 adults on plane without a problem. <br /><br />If you are planning to be in exposed water, you will likely be more comfortable with a RIB because they are available in larger sizes, up to 30ft+ with cabins, heads, etc. I also have an 18-ft Avon RIB that I use for diving. Avon created a huge open cavity between the floor and the hull of the boat. A 4” hole just forward of the engine shaft floods when throttled back. A pair of 1” air vent holes high on the bow allow rapid flooding and the whole boat sinks down onto the tubes. The boat would be pushed underwater before it flips.<br /><br />RIB’s plane with the tubes out of the water. When fishing, the tubes are in the water and provide phenomenal stability. I have never seen a trolling motor on a RIB. :) <br /><br />What size boat do you think you want?
 

Drowned Rat

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Re: Found Zodiac in trash bin

RHIB are the most sea worthy boat there is for their size, hands down.
 
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