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hondarider188

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Hello everyone my 1960 Johnson Seahorse 18hp runs great but still has a little bit of trouble at an idel and i was wonder if it had anything to do with the fuel ratio i currently am running it at 40:1 and i want it to run its best without fouling plugs or ruining the engine going to thin does anyone know what would be best?
 

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HI raider. you need to run 24:1 in that motor. she'll smoke quite a bit at idle in a test tank, and will probably leave an oily residue on the water, but that's normal and will go away once your on the open water.
 

hondarider188

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thanks for the help but is the 40:1 going to ruin my engine if i continue to run it.
 

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do you really want to find out?...you are running with a little more than 1/2 the oil that was specified in 1960...modern lubes are no doubt better than those of 50 years ago...were it mine, I'd run it 24:1 and not worry...this is jmo
 

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thanks for the help I will for sure go and remix my fuel.
 

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And just in case you don't know. You need to run tcw3 outboard oil. Not the stuff for air cooled motors. This is an important point.
 

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hello again raider. yeah, it will hurt the motor if you have too little oil. Because the old outboards don't have separate oil tanks, all of the internak lubrication for the motor comes from the oil mixed in with the gas. Without enough of it your motor will run hot and potential seize up at which point it will be toast. Generally speaking, the older a 2 stroke motor is, the more oil you'll have to add to the fuel. OMC motors up to about the late 50's ran on 16:1 mixes and smoked quite abit and often left a bit of an oil slick in their wake. In the 60's and 70's changes in technology and engineering along with stricter environmental laws caused motors to be run at 24:1. More modern 2 stokes (mid 80's on, or so) usually run 32:1 or 50:1, which is probably how you got 40:1 as a ratio (basically in between the two), but that only applies to newer motors. However, as yours is a 1960 model you will need the 24:1 mix described above. Some folks even add a bit more oil just to be on the safe side. It never hurts to have a little extra lubrication in an old motor.
 

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Hello everyone my 1960 Johnson Seahorse 18hp runs great but still has a little bit of trouble at an idel

Have you tried adjusting your low speed needle to get a better idle? If so, then you might need a carb cleaning/rebuild.
 

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An even more compelling reason is that most of the pre 1965 or so motors had sleeve bearings, as opposed to needle and roller bearings used in most, but not all, of the newer motors. Sleeve bearing motors demand all lot more oil that the other types, or they suffer early failure.
 

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One thing to remember is that the carb is the heart of the oiling system, too. Not just fuel delivery.
 

hondarider188

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Thanks for all of the help i have no doubt in my mind that i need to run 24:1 and as for the idel i think it will run alot better with the right mix in it but at home in a barrel it had a great idel but on the open water it was a little bit rough when trolling. and the needle valves will have to be adjusted again but does anyone know which way they will need to go would it be leaner with there being more oil or even richer or even not to be messed with at all. Oh and what about the oil in the foot what type should i run through it and how do i know when its full?
 

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Check out this link for setting your carb.
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=167352

Best to set idle on the water with proper exhaust back pressure. Doing so in a barrel is ok, but on the water is best. Basically when you twist the neeldes in the mix becomes leaner (less fuel to air) and the rpms do up. You'll have to wait 5-10 seconds for the carb to respond before adjusting the needle again. Don't forget to adjust the idle set screw at the base of the vertical throttle tower where the tiller handle connects to the cowl area. You turn it in to advance the timing (magneto plate beneath the flywheel), which will raise the rpm. Ideally, you want to be able to twist the tiller handle all the way down and just barely stay idling while in gear. It will take some fidling, but be patient and you'll get it. Check out this link too it will show/tell you how to do a complete tune up and all routine maintenance on these vintage OMC motors.

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/07/columns/max/index1.htm
 

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I was told by the gentleman I purchased my motor from to run 50:1 ratio. Have also had the boat repair place I buy parts from to use the same. Now I'm wondering if I should start using the 24:1 as mentioned in this thread. BTW.. I have a 1960 Johnson 18hp seahorse.
 

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Absolutely! Oil is the life blood of your motor.
Be sure you adjust the high and low speed needle valves carefully
On the high speed leave it very slightly toward rich.
If your worried about fouling the waters you could use synthetic oil
also at 24:1.Synthetic is said to be biodegradable and smokes less.
If you troll a lot try opening the gap on the plugs a little.
We had a 61 18. when they were new.I don't recall ever changing or servicing the plugs in the course of a long season,
even when used daily. But I didn't ever troll for any extended time.
The 18 was rated for about 27 mph ours ran about 24-26 on our big 15ft Chriscraft kit runabout.
 

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I was told by the gentleman I purchased my motor from to run 50:1 ratio. Have also had the boat repair place I buy parts from to use the same. Now I'm wondering if I should start using the 24:1 as mentioned in this thread. BTW.. I have a 1960 Johnson 18hp seahorse.

The gentleman you purchased your engine from was wrong. Your engine does not have all the roller bearings like a newer motor would have, and running that lean on oil will damage it.

This is per BRP which is now the parent company of Johnson/Evinrude;

"2 - What is the fuel/oil mix for my motor? The following is generally true: 1958 and prior used 20:1, 1959 thru 1963 used 24:1, 1964 and newer use 50:1. High performance usage (racing) requires a ratio of 25:1. New engine break-in (not DI) requires 25:1."

If you want to elaborate, you need to start a new thread, because you've hijacked an old thread.
Take a look at the forum rules, and start a new thread if you want to discuss more ;);
http://forums.iboats.com/forum-rules-guidelines/forum-rules-397820.html
 
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