Gale Buccaneer 5 hp- 5D10B carb question

[ovnic1234]

I was curious if anyone had a diagram of the carb. Initial settings. Starting procedures.

It's not getting fuel. I took it apart, redoped cork float. New packing in slow speed, Cleaned it, although the lack of fuel makes me think I did something wrong.

It fires right up if I squirt some fuel in the carb.

Redid ingition, good spark. 60 psi on both cylinders.

Any help would be much appreciated, I read in a post by jbjennings in March of 2007 that it's a make your parts affair and that no rebuild kits are available. I also read another post where F_R mentioned that you can use a cut down mercury float. If so I was wondering what the part number on that float would be.

Oh, and recoil spring, are these available. I've searched around and had little luck. It's a smaller looking assembly and it looks like a smaller spring compared to the standard 50's 60's springs that seem to be in every Johnnyrude that I've worked on.

That's it. I like the motor, cool decal, and it's missing the lower cowlings as well, but it seems like they often disappear.

Thanks as always

 

[F_R]

Re: Gale Buccaneer 5 hp- 5D10B carb question

Open the misture valve 3/8 turn and put the knob on, pointing up. Now, with fuel valve open at the tank, turn the mixture valve all the way to the left. That will hold the float down and cause the carburetor to overflow. When it overflows, turn the knob back far enough to the right to release the float. Pull the rope and it should start right up. With motor running at full throttle ON A BOAT, turn knob to the right till it smooths out. Too far and it will start to starve out. Turn it back to the left to find that sweet spot. Now take the knob off and reposition it so it points straight up. No need to reposition it any more.

Mercury float is 18-7208, available here at iboats.

Recoil spring is 276510 and is obsolete/no longer available from BRP. You will have to go on a scavenger hunt for one of those.

Send me a PM including your e-mail address if you want a diagram. Remind me what you are looking for when you do.

 

[ovnic1234]

Re: Gale Buccaneer 5 hp- 5D10B carb question

I found a mercury float at a napa auto parts down the street. Sorry iboats, next time. I was in for some other stuff and asked, and oddly enough they had one in stock. So I shaved it down on a belt sander to about 3/4" redoped and installed, and it performs as it should.

I cleaned the carb again, blew out all passages with carb cleaner, then air. All seems well. Set the needle at 3/8 of a turn out. Followed the starting procedure as instructed in the response above.

The only way I can get it to run is if I shoot compressed air down the throat of the carb. There is a lean/rich adjustment screw, but I am unsure of it's setting.

I'm missing something.

 

[tin knocker]

Re: Gale Buccaneer 5 hp- 5D10B carb question

Try backing out the rich - lean screw in increments. From my experience it will not run with the screw tight or too far in.

 

[Tom @ Buzzard Bluff]

Re: Gale Buccaneer 5 hp- 5D10B carb question

60 PSI of compression is very marginal even on an older Gale. Might run at higher RPM but be hard to start and not idle. But they are all very individualistic so unpredictable.

 

[ovnic1234]

Re: Gale Buccaneer 5 hp- 5D10B carb question

Just got off work, getting back on the motor. 60 psi for a motor that's been sitting for a long long time. I'm hoping those numbers will come up, after running it for a bit and decarbing. It's pretty carbed up peering through the spark plug holes.

I had a 7.5 evinrude I gave to a retired friend, he uses it about every week, and it had 60 psi. might not get the full 7.5, but it starts real easy.

thanks, for the help, l'll check that lean/rich screw, it simply controls the aperature of the venturi at idle. I believe that is correct. feel free to inform me. What a weird little carb.

 

[Tom @ Buzzard Bluff]

Re: Gale Buccaneer 5 hp- 5D10B carb question

Just got off work, getting back on the motor. 60 psi for a motor that's been sitting for a long long time. I'm hoping those numbers will come up, after running it for a bit and decarbing. It's pretty carbed up peering through the spark plug holes.

I had a 7.5 evinrude I gave to a retired friend, he uses it about every week, and it had 60 psi. might not get the full 7.5, but it starts real easy.

thanks, for the help, l'll check that lean/rich screw, it simply controls the aperature of the venturi at idle. I believe that is correct. feel free to inform me. What a weird little carb.

Put some Sea Foam in it and run it if you suspect stuck rings. It works! I ALWAYS use it on a revived old motor----and regularly find a lot of chunks of expelled carbon in the bottom when I drain the testank.

Weird little carb 'tis true, but they work GREAT when clean and properly adjusted. If the engine is in good order they start as well as anything hanging on a transom once you figure out how much prime YOUR engine wants.

BTW---FR who answered your carb setting question is THE man on Gales so heed him well! So if your engine doesn't start readily and run well after following his advice to the letter you STILL have a problem somewhere that must be addressed!

 

[ovnic1234]

Re: Gale Buccaneer 5 hp- 5D10B carb question

Well, got it running. A combination of how much priming (thanks Tom) and got that lean/rich screw dialed in.

Too bad there's a blockage in the cooling, and I failed to notice a crack in the LU. When I changed the oil and installed the impeller.

So this one's getting broken down, and cleaning out the water jackets and pick-up tube.

In a box till I stumble on a reasonably priced LU case and lower cowls. At least I know that it will run. A project for another day, got a few more that need evaluation.

Thanks F_R, tin, and Tom, Always learning and your help is much appreciated.

Paul

 

[Tom @ Buzzard Bluff]

Re: Gale Buccaneer 5 hp- 5D10B carb question

So this one's getting broken down, and cleaning out the water jackets and pick-up tube.

If that's one of the Gale 'wedge' motors (& I think it is but too lazy to look it up) do NOT remove those side covers!!!!!!!!!

The factory service manuals specifically warned Gale authorized repair shops that if the covers were removed that they would have to send it back to the factory to be resealed!

IF (big if!) your powerhead is completely obstructed just find another one----it's not like there aren't thousands of them still around.

 

[ovnic1234]

Re: Gale Buccaneer 5 hp- 5D10B carb question

Haven't touched the side covers, read that was a no no, when I was searching previous threads for info.

Thanks for the warning. It's broken down and boxed up. Haven't fooled with it. I got a 3.3 47'-51' on the bench. Trying to get organized. Determining parts motors from, runners or potential runners.

Thanks Tom, Happy Thanksgiving

 

[F_R]

Re: Gale Buccaneer 5 hp- 5D10B carb question

You think you got trouble with that Gale? Wait till you get into that 3.3. What a nightmare carb on those things.

 

[1946Zephyr]

Re: Gale Buccaneer 5 hp- 5D10B carb question

60 PSI of compression is very marginal even on an older Gale. Might run at higher RPM but be hard to start and not idle. But they are all very individualistic so unpredictable.

60 psi on a 5hp Gale isn't bad. :redface:

 

[1946Zephyr]

Re: Gale Buccaneer 5 hp- 5D10B carb question

If that's one of the Gale 'wedge' motors (& I think it is but too lazy to look it up) do NOT remove those side covers!!!!!!!!!

The factory service manuals specifically warned Gale authorized repair shops that if the covers were removed that they would have to send it back to the factory to be resealed!

IF (big if!) your powerhead is completely obstructed just find another one----it's not like there aren't thousands of them still around.

The factory is no longer there. Besides, what makes you think we're any less qualified than the guys at the factory to reseal those covers. Don't sweat it. Pop those covers off. What do you have to lose?

 

[1946Zephyr]

Re: Gale Buccaneer 5 hp- 5D10B carb question

You think you got trouble with that Gale? Wait till you get into that 3.3. What a nightmare carb on those things.

You know, I wouldn't mind having one of those old 3.3's for a restoration project. How did they compare in design to the old J Dubs?

 

[ovnic1234]

Re: Gale Buccaneer 5 hp- 5D10B carb question

Zephyr,

I haven't had much free time, hoping to get to fool around with motors this weekend. I'll try flushing the hello out of it thoroughly first. I have nothing to lose with this motor. It was essentially free and is not too pretty. If I didn't have to hunt down another lower unit, I'd have a different attitude.

The 3.3 referred to in F_R's post was a 47'-51' Evinrude Sportwin. The carb has an unbelievable part count, at least three times as many as the carbs made a in the following years. The engineers and designers really outdid themselves. It's a great looking little motor. There's a stinking screwdriver in the tiller handle how awesome is that. (I guess they knew you'd be working on it on the water) Apparently there was a wrench as well, but it's gone.

I'll liven this thread back up when I can get some time to fool with it.

 

[F_R]

Re: Gale Buccaneer 5 hp- 5D10B carb question

The factory is no longer there. Besides, what makes you think we're any less qualified than the guys at the factory to reseal those covers. Don't sweat it. Pop those covers off. What do you have to lose?

What have you got to lose?? Go ahead and find out. Actually, I suppose it is a matter of finding a suitable sealant. Lots of neat stuff on the market today that wasn't there in 1950. I never did figure out what the factory used.

But I did remove some covers back then and had a terrible time getting them back so they didn't leak.

 

[F_R]

Re: Gale Buccaneer 5 hp- 5D10B carb question

You know, I wouldn't mind having one of those old 3.3's for a restoration project. How did they compare in design to the old J Dubs?

Totally different motor. Besides, the JW and later Lightwin would run.

 

[1946Zephyr]

Re: Gale Buccaneer 5 hp- 5D10B carb question

Totally different motor. Besides, the JW and later Lightwin would run.

Yea, I think Johnson dropped the HD and Evinrude dropped the old 3.3 Sport Twin to build the J Dubbs and Lightwins didn't they? That's my understanding.

I have a 1941 HD-20 that is next on my "restoration list" I always got a kick out of that design. How did they come up with the idea of mounting the carb on the side? When Johny/Rude fully came together in 1956, their motors were better in design and a bit less "odd"

There were plenty of outboards built, before 1950, that would make the average outboard mechanic shake his head or just chuckle, but the oddities in the early years is what marveled me about the oldies. The old Zephyr in my avitar is what got me interested in these things

 

[1946Zephyr]

Re: Gale Buccaneer 5 hp- 5D10B carb question

What have you got to lose?? Go ahead and find out. Actually, I suppose it is a matter of finding a suitable sealant. Lots of neat stuff on the market today that wasn't there in 1950. I never did figure out what the factory used.

But I did remove some covers back then and had a terrible time getting them back so they didn't leak.

I've had a few of these motors, but never had a need to remove those covers. They sure put enough screws in those covers, it seems like a good quality sealer and proper torquing of the screws should make them seal up. I can see it's also a matter of how flat the surfaces are and how well they match up too.

Funny thing is, the old Fastwin 14 and Sea King 12's were the same basic "wedge motor" design, like the old 5's.

 

[1946Zephyr]

Re: Gale Buccaneer 5 hp- 5D10B carb question

Zephyr,

I haven't had much free time, hoping to get to fool around with motors this weekend. I'll try flushing the hello out of it thoroughly first. I have nothing to lose with this motor. It was essentially free and is not too pretty. If I didn't have to hunt down another lower unit, I'd have a different attitude.

The 3.3 referred to in F_R's post was a 57'-51' Evinrude Sportwin. The carb has an unbelievable part count, at least three times as many as the carbs made a in the following years. The engineers and designers really outdid themselves. It's a great looking little motor. There's a stinking screwdriver in the tiller handle how awesome is that. (I guess they knew you'd be working on it on the water) Apparently there was a wrench as well, but it's gone.

I'll liven this thread back up when I can get some time to fool with it.

That 3.3 Sportwin was actually in production, from 1939 to 1951. Same with the HS and HD models. They were both dropped so Johnson and Evinrude would introduce the "JW-10 and Light Twin in 1952. This would pretty much make it the second "corporate motor" with OMC. The first, of course being the 25's. Funny how the Sportwin was re-introduced in 1956, as the 10hp, when Johny/Rude was fully incorporated in design.

F_R would have a better knowledge as to how/why this happened. OMC acquired Johnson motors in 1936, but it seems like it took till the 1950's before they built anything that would interchange with each other. From what I see, the first thing that was interchangleable with each other, was the fullshift lower unit, that came out in 1949 on the QD's and 1950 on the Fastwin. 1951, Johny/Rude both built the 25, which were virtually identical, then 1952, the 3hps were virtually identical. When they became more as "one of the same" in 1956, then they all shared the same motor models.
The same motor, just a different appearance.

It seems that GM kinda did this same thing, when they built all 4 car makes, to take the same parts. Hmmmmm, do you think that GM learned something from OMC?