Good reason to buy online!

reelfishin

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I bought my first newer Mercury Outboard the other day, a 1995 115.
Very low hours but it's been sitting for a few years in a barn.
Other than the obvious new water pump impeller, there's not much it needs to get on the water. The boat will need more work than the motor in just refitting it to use all the Mercury controls and gauges. (I got the whole dash package with the motor).

I took a trip to the closest Mercury dealer, no luck, no parts in stock, so on to the next closest, about an hour away. That too turned out to be a total waste of a trip. The problem wasn't them having what I needed, not totally but their prices. They wanted $62 for a water pump kit, no housing, just the impeller, plate and gaskets. One side of the lower cowl gasket is deformed and won't sit right, so I figured the right thing to do is to replace it, that turned out to be a special order part, $63.99 plus $17.50 shipping, then I figured that after all these years some fresh fuel lines and new plugs would be in order as well. I also wanted a few spare keys to the new controller since the motor only came with one.
They wanted $21 per foot for the fuel line and it calls for about 2.7', then $15 per spark plug. The total with sales tax would have been $287 or so for 4 plugs, a gasket, basically a water pump impeller, and some fuel line. They didn't have just the impeller, it's apparently only available as a kit, the plugs are nothing but NGK plugs that I eventually got from a local small engine shop for $13 for all 4, I got the impeller at Napa for $18, and the fuel hose I left alone for now. The cowl gasket will have to wait till I either find a good used one or I'll live with the ill fitting one. They also wanted $15 per key, I got those cut at a local key shop for $2 each. It turns out the blanks are just standard common Ilco blanks.
It's no wander the local dealer can't compete with mail order. All on top of this and the one dealer kept harping on how two strokes will soon be banned so I should buy a new engine now while my old one still has some value. A salesman kept harping on how much gas I'd save if I spent $11K on a new motor. It would take me a long time to save enough in fuel to make up a $11k price tag of a new motor.
When I asked why they still had brand new 2 stroke motors for sale if they were banned, the subject just reverted to all the fuel I'd save.

I told the guy that if he thought there was any chance that I'd spend $11k on a new motor for a 40 year old boat I had a bridge for sale too.
I've been running mostly Johnnyrudes for a long time since there's no local Mercury dealer, (the closest OMC dealer used to sell Mercury but now only sells Yamaha). I started buying Evinrudes when they switched over. Their prices were fair and their great to deal with but a new motor just isn't in my plans or budget. The only reason I bought this Merc is because it's so clean with such low hours. The guy that had it only ran it a few times before parking his boat way back then. It's also a good excuse to update my power by a few decades and to add power tilt and trim. I got the motor for less than the cost of a good used power tilt unit for my Evinrude, so that pretty much sealed the deal. I wasn't going to put maybe another $400 into the old motor just to gain tilt and trim, but my back these days can't take the manual tilt on a 4 cylinder. The power T/T will be nice. Oil injection is another plus if it proves reliable.

The motor has 151 psi on all 4 and looks new. I probably could have just hung it and run it but I like the piece of mind knowing it's 100%.

Anyone have any online suggestions for Mercury parts? Mainly the cowl gasket, if not, anyone have a good used one for a 95 115 4 cylinder?
I'll also need to get the right length cables for my boat as the ones that came with the motor are about 4' too short.
 

brazosboater

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Re: Good reason to buy online!

oil injection from the factory does not mean that when that oil injection goes out you simply replace the oil injection system/unit. When my starter goes out on my 23 year old boat I replace it, if the oil injection goes out on your 13 yr old motor, you have to replace the motor.
As far as the mercury dealer goes, you have to go to people that know your motor. I have been helping a friend with his motor, and I have found that just because a dealer/shop sells your particular parts does not mean that you need those parts at all, they might have no idea...and then quote you some ridiculous price so you WONT take your boat there. The people that I have been dealing with should not be allowed to sell anything aside from a spare tire or water ski. Be sure you deal with people who know what they are doing, which in turn, requires money as well.
 

reelfishin

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Re: Good reason to buy online!

I found the OEM cowl gasket which that dealer wanted 63.99 plus shipping for online for $31 shipped. No hassle, no aggravation.
It's not a matter of knowing what I need, I myself know what I need. I consider myself more than capable when it comes to working on outboards and have done my own work for 20 years or more.
For the most part, when it comes to oil injection, if it fails, the motor is toast in my book, and I simply go find another. New anything isn't in my plans of budget. There's always a good $400 motor out there somewhere even if it means taking an old hull to the dump. My old motor has been fine but the loss of a tilt ram and pump is far more than I wish to spend on it. It runs fine. If it weren't on a boat in which manual tilting is a reach problem, I'd keep running it but between the weight of a V4 and the fact that I found this newer Merc, its getting an upgrade.

As far as I'm concerned, that dealer won't be seeing me for anything again. I got the impression that I was bothering them by needing parts and all they wanted to do is sell new, high dollar engines. I do not need to spend $11K to fish a few weekends a year.
To make matters worse, I've also found the same motor they were pushing for $11k for only $9k online. They acted like a 1995 motor was an antique and shouldn't still be in use. I'd hate to see what they think about my 1965 Merc 650 on my other boat.

As far as the salesman's pitch about the banning of two strokes, I don't see that happening anytime soon, I'd venture to guess that more than 75% of all boats around here are running older carbureted 2 strokes.

If the price for a cowl gasket was really $63 with no other option, I think it would get duct taped or just left out. There's no way I'd pay that kind of money for a two foot long piece of 1/2" rubber. I also never heard of a dealer charging shipping to special order a part through normal channels.

The Evinrude dealer special orders parts all the time and doesn't charge me for shipping.

I'm pretty limited here as far as dealers, there are only two listed within 60 miles. One stocks nothing an apparently the other doesn't want to sell parts.

I generally prefer to buy local and to support local business, but places like this make it hard. I wouldn't balk at a few dollar difference in price but more than double is just insane. I even gave them the part numbers, they didn't even have to look them up. I had always wondered what had happened to Mercury around here, now I know. It's rare to see a Mercury on the water lately, its all Yamaha and old Evinrudes, years ago it was about even Mercury to OMC, but not anymore. I didn't realize that there was no decent dealer support. There was a Mariner dealer nearby that was decent to deal with years ago but when Mariner was dropped, they went to nothing but Nissan and some off brand from China.
They no longer sell parts for Merc or Mariner either. Only whats left from years ago on the shelves.
Being in a state with a freshwater gas motor ban also doesn't help, unless your along the shore, there are no marine dealers with larger motors either.
Most local dealers only keep the smaller motors, 25hp and under.
 

brazosboater

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Re: Good reason to buy online!

I agree completely, it's ridiculous what the dealers want to charge for every little thing...I also agree that some of them act like they don't even want to sell you parts. My old evinrude 115 from the 70's still runs and when it dies I'll be craigslisting for another one, swap out parts if I have to.
If they ever get banned it'll probably end up in the front lawn of whoever signed the bill to ban them. happy boating, and good luck.
 

reelfishin

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Re: Good reason to buy online!

I doubt they will ever get banned completely, there are just too many still on the water. I can understand the ban on them on smaller, land locked freshwater lakes but in tidal waters, it's not nearly as critical an issue. The part that gets me is that when they pass these crazy laws, people just go along with it.
Around here, there are tons of older, mostly mid 80's Evinrude and Johnson motors in use. There are a lot of newer Yamaha motors showing up lately but only on newer boats. I like my 40 year old boat and don't plan to upgrade. I looked for many years to find one that was a viable hull to redo and got lucky and found one that was still in good shape. I have under $1500 in both my boats, engines and all. If I didn't wait and get a deal, I wouldn't be out there. I just can't justify the costs to put big money out to go fishing. I can't see how some people can spend so much to fish maybe a few dozen times a year at best. I was told by one dealer here that hobbies were expensive and boating is a hobby. I fished for years with a large jon boat and a used 35hp motor, I'll go back to that in a minute if costs get too high. I'd rather be out there catching fish than having to work just to pay for the boat to do so with. I also like not having to worry about a high dollar rig or needing a gas hungry tow vehicle.
 

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Re: Good reason to buy online!

The two stroke ban is actually a bit of an internet legend. I don't remember all the details but I think it had something to do with a county in California offering a carburated 2 stroke ban as a compromise to a total engine ban on two small resiviors where water quality was an issue. I'm not sure how the issue was resolved but like anything on the internet it gained a life of it's own.

Reelfishin,
I know what you mean about dealers, but I have had good luck with a Merc dealer in Keyport, I just purchased a fuel pump kit and carb gaskets for an '88 70hp they were a little pricier than online but it was Friday morning and I wanted to hit the bay on Saturday so I spent the extra cash, and the guy at the counter was friendly and helpful. I have however been looked at like I had three heads when I have gone into dealers looking for parts for that same motor
 

reelfishin

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Re: Good reason to buy online!

They've passed the carbureted two stroke ban at several lakes out west, I think Lake Tahoe is one of them. I was picking up some nice motors out of PA after a law was proposed on one of the lakes there too but I'm not sure it passed or not. I can half understand it where there's a concentration of larger boats or motors in a landlocked lake, but not on open water or in a state where they limit you to 10 hp on most lakes anyhow.

The dealer in Keyport sounds good but I'm probably about 120 miles or so south of there. I don't really mind paying a bit more for the convenience of being able to buy local but the problem is always that they don't have the part or want to charge extra just to special order it. The part that really got me was that they didn't even stock spark plugs for the older motor.

If you look around lately, the Majority of new motors are Yamaha, then you see a few slightly older Evinrudes and some Etecs but almost no Mercurys. I do still see some older Mercury motors but not many. There are still a lot of older 4 cylinder 50 hp motors around on the river. It's gotten to the point where I won't hang a Mercury if I have an Evinrude because I know if the need arises, I won't be able to find parts when I need them here.

I have a nearly new older Merc 650 that probably has less than 50 hours of use on it but since there's no parts source locally and older motors are so hard to get parts for these days anyhow, it just sits on a stand in the garage.
I run a Johnson 70 in its place. I'll probably end up just selling the 650 since it's been idle now for a good 5 or 6 years.
 
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