GPS and CB/Ham questions

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Any suggestions for a hand held inexpensive($125.00-$165.00 GPS with mapping for marine? Any web sites you can suggest? Also, what bare minimum CB system or Ham do I need aboard to go out on the Pacific a mile or two?(I have a 17 ft. Bayliner) Yes, I'm green! Lastly, any good websites to suggest for Greenies? Thanks!<br />"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool then to speak out and remove all doubt"....... Abe Lincoln<br />Carp
 

JB

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Re: GPS and CB/Ham questions

Howdy, white meat.<br /><br />There are things more important than a few bux in the price, like patronizing your host.<br /><br />I use and recommend Garmin for GPS. Many good mapping units to choose from. Check out iboats MegaMall. You can get details on the features of different models at the Garmin website.<br /><br />You don't want CB or HAM gear for offshore communications. You want marine VHF, also available on the mall.<br /><br />Good luck. :)
 

18rabbit

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Re: GPS and CB/Ham questions

Welcome to boating! …and the board here. :) <br /><br />I strongly suggest you think about taking a boating class, low-cost from the Coast Guard Auxiliary or free from the United States Power Squadron ( www.usps.org ). They will give you some insight into safe boating, use of the radio, and you will also learn about the boating laws. It’s fun, too! :) <br /><br />The radio of choice for marine recreational use is VHF. SSB (short wave) is used in addition to VHF by commercial boats and trans-pacific voyagers…long, far travelers. CB is intended for use on terra firma.<br /><br />For navigating with GPS, get the biggest screen, the Magellan SporTrek. I don’t consider any of the handheld GPS usable for graphics data. Powerboat Report (the Consumer Reports of boating stuff) re-stated their position on handheld GPS in the April 2004 issue:<br /><br /> Handheld Cartography – “…The idea of relying on vector cartography in a handheld GPS for actual safe navigation on water is just silly. The cartography is aimed at drivers and hikers, with other markets thrown in via extra vector data. You can’t see much on the tiny screens (even screens twice as big as the Magellan), and as cleaver and fun as they are, they’re no substitute for paper charts or a good-size chartplotter displays.” <br /><br />Based on the content of the whole article, I would be comfortable purchasing the Magellan SporTrek PRO at about $270…if I wanted a handheld. It has a very high rating and is under-priced for it’s features and easy-to-view screen by Magellan in an effort to promote the product line and recapture some of the market share.
 

Yepblaze

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Re: GPS and CB/Ham questions

So, what if any specific recommendations in that price range would anyone recommend.
 
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Hey Thanks guys! I didnt know about the radio at all so that was very helpful! I can see now that I will probably be ordering a dash size GPS also because they are easy to view.<br />Again, thanks,<br />Carp
 

ThomWV

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Re: GPS and CB/Ham questions

There are a whole bunch of things that need to be discussed here, and probably won't be.<br /><br />How about starting with the radios. You mention CB and they are actually a pretty common item on boats on lots of lakes in the midwest and northeast, maybe the west too for all I know. They have a very limited range, typically only about 3 miles or so, but if they are what is in use where you boat then they are what you should have. It doesn't do any good at all to have the world's niftyest VHF and everyone else be on 6 meters. Match the hatch so to speak.<br /><br />Marine radios come in two versions, VHF and SSB. There are specific frequencys set aside just for marine use and they are not covered by a HAM license, although they are close. If you are a HAM its likely that you began with a license that alled you to to operate on 2-meters, which is the frequency band running roughly around 144 mHz. The marine VHF band, which uses FM signals, is in the same neighborhood, being centered around 156 mHz. There are a lot of HAM 2-Meter radios out there that can be modified to operate on the marine frequencys. I have one, but that's another matter. A Marine VHF is the number 1 piece of safety gear on a boat in almost all areas and certainly in any saltwater area. These are all line of sight and have limited range, generally in the 5~10 mile range for most small boats and up to 20 in some very good circumstances. At any rate they are line of sight so a tall antenna is a must. If you plan to venture off shore you simply have to have one, and a good antenna too. Limit your search to whatever you find that is made by either ICOM or Standard Horizon and you'll do just fine. Make sure you do not skimp at all on the antenna. No radio is any better than its antenna. The next side to the Marine band is the SSB, which operates in the High Frequeny range. The band is wide and has much different characteristics than the VHF. For one thing you can usually communicate with them up to 6,000 miles and farther We aren't going to get into wave propogation here but you can generally think of it as bouncing off the ionosphere and gaining long range in doing so. They cost a lot, they take a lot of power to drive them, and they are not what you want.<br /><br />Now the chartplotter. Any of the recent hand held versions will do you just fine. I'd recommend the Garmin GPS-72 for you. It is a plotter but without maps. To get them you have to pay more. What it will have is navigation aids, which is all you really need anyway. Run it off batterys if you like or run it off a power cord. You can simply velcro it to your dash if you like. That's how I use my GPSMap-76 (same thing but with mapping) as a backup in our boat. If you want a large screen chartplotter you're going to have to spend a lot more money.<br /><br />Thom
 

wajajaja

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Re: GPS and CB/Ham questions

gps check out a lowrance globalmap 100,plus(complete with mapcreate4 software and cord) new $250,ebay 100+/-.<br /><br />radio, buy a dsc/vhf. the dsc is mandatory on new radios. just vhf is just obsolete.
 

kd6nem

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Thom VW's advice sounds very good. <br />A note about Ham radio, you don't want one unless you are a properly licensed Amateur Operator. License exam no longer requires morse code for entry level; soon may not at all. The written exam is not bad if you get a study guide and actually study. There are some serious mariners who are serious about Ham radio for a good reason- lots more ears listening than marine radio and hams are extremely helpful as a rule. It is not a replacement for marine radio, but a really good supplement for those so inclined. I've seen knotheads down at Rad Shack trying to sell ham radios to unlicensed individuals. Don't buy one without the license! It won't be legal to use and no one will talk to you without you having a valid call sign.
 
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