Head Suggestions

POINTER94

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I recently purchased a 25 foot cc and the head was not included with the sale. Are there any models/mfgr's or features that I should look for? I do not want to install a holding tank and electric system for this project.<br /><br />There are a lot of units in the 55-100 dollar range. Price therefor isn't a consideration. I don't want to face this situation sitting down so if you have any input let me know. :p <br /><br />Thanks in advance.
 

dwci97

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Re: Head Suggestions

It depends on if you have pump out capability or if you need a porta-potty. Fill us in on the details.
 

POINTER94

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Re: Head Suggestions

I can go with a unit with pump out capability but without installing a holding tank I don't see a real advantage to going that route over a porta-potie. My mind is open to all installation options.
 

18rabbit

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Re: Head Suggestions

Pointer – I have just went thru a $#!+ load (sorry, couldn’t avoid the pun) :D of research on this very issue. There are stiff USCG requirements about generating sewage and in my area (California) they are strictly enforced.<br /><br />You are going to have a holding tank…it is required…a porta-potty has a built in holding tank. If you go this route, are going to need a USCG approved porta-potty. I don’t know the difference between that and one used by campers, but I do know some are USCG approved and some are not.<br /><br />If you have a means to pump, you must have a means to hold. If you have any means of holding and pump waste, you must have a lockout installed that prevents ‘inadvertent’ pumping out.<br /><br />Porta-potty is the simplest system. Otherwise, you need a head, water source (thru hull is common or tee off an existing wash down pump source), holding tank, macerator pump, pump out vent, tubing with vent loops, y-valve and another (bigger) thru hull for pumping out beyond the 3-mile limit if you think you will want/need to pump out between pump out stations. Forget about pumping out in fresh water.<br /><br />Odor is going to be an issue. There’s not much you can do with a porta-potty. A holding tank offers more options. If you decide on a holding tank/head/macerator I can give you some pointers on what to look for and what to avoid for both product and installation.
 

POINTER94

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18rabbit,<br /><br />Sounds like you have been threw the ringer on your installation. In the great lakes I believe the Y valve even installed for overboard dumping is illegal.<br /><br />Honestly, I can get the mascerator pump and fittings for free from where I work, but installing it appears to be problematic with the design of the boat. If I did I would use one of the bladder style holding tanks and tap off of my existing fresh water supply. I don't really want to put a through hull fitting in for something that I personally won't need all that often. (Girlfiend has a slightly different opinion. :rolleyes: )<br /><br />Being a wanderlust at heart, I trailer this thing all over the midwest so a large holding tank is not necessary. I figure a 10-15 gal holding unit would be more than enough. I am wondering if the payback will be worth the effort to install with the porta-potty option available. But we use the cabin for over-night trips frequently and I don't want an odor problem in any way. Not overly excited about the chemical smell either.<br /><br />I am obviously torn on what to do here. Is there a high end portable that you know about that is going to do a good job of keeping down odors?<br /><br />Just filling you in on my thought processes at this point.<br /><br />Thanx, Doug
 

18rabbit

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Re: Head Suggestions

I have no experience with the bladder type holding tanks. Based on what I read they can be as bad or worse than the porta-p for odors. In the grand scheme of boating dollars, the cost of a porta-p doesn’t show up on the radar. They are cheap. You could try one and if it doesn’t workout, toss it. You should entertain no delusions of containing odors with one, but you can set it outside the cabin when not needed.<br /><br />In September 2002 Powerboat Reports did a review of porta-p’s. I have not read it. You can buy a copy of the report online ($10/non-member or $7.50/member) or try to find it at a library for free.<br /><br /> http://www.powerboat-reports.com/pub/15_9/features/5252-1.html <br /><br />In the long run, I think you will be happier (she will! :) ) with a head and a holding tank, so I’m going to toss this stuff out for you. In particular, take a look at the Raritan link below.<br /><br />For weekending you will be fine with a 4 or 5-gal holding tank. You are not going to want to use it for gray water holding. If you use a fresh water flush you will be doing a lot to keep odors down. Seawater contributes small animals to the holding tank that die and add to the odor problem.<br /><br />There will be two flavors of bacteria in there: aerobic and anaerobic. They both break down the matter but the anaerobic bacteria also cause odor. Current wisdom is a constant supply of fresh air (oxygen) will keep the anaerobic bacteria in check and promote the growth of aerobic critters. Obviously you don’t want your holding tank open and exposed. Groco makes something they call “SweetTank”. It is a low amp-draw air pump for the holding tank that is sourced and vented to the exterior of the cabin. They claim it circulates enough air inside the holding tank to eliminate odors without chemicals. All of the reviews I have read about the SweetTank are very positive. We are installing this configuration, but not a Groco because I don’t like the idea of the macerator pump inside the holding tank. I think I can make one myself with a small air pump and some air-tight fittings added to the holding tank.<br /><br /> http://www.groco.net/cat_toilets.html. <br /><br />Polyethylene is supposed to be about the best synthetic material for containing odors. The thicker the better but you will want at least 3/8-in thick. One company is making double walled polyeth holding tanks (forget who just now) but they are not cheap. Raritan makes a 5-gal polyet holding tank that wraps around most standard marine heads. It is either permanent or portable. This might fit your needs.<br /><br /> http://www.raritaneng.com/products/holding_tanks/compact_tanks.html <br /><br />I don’t like Todd tanks. Forgot about Ronco. SeaLand is good stuff but the tanks are a little on the large size for weekend use, 9-gal and up.<br /><br /> http://www.sealandtechnology.com/holdtank.html <br /><br />Probably the weakest link in odor control is the hoses. If you end up installing any, get a high quality hose, something like Trident Premium 101 Sani-Shield or SeaLand OdorSafe.<br /><br /> http://www.tridentmarine.com/stage/sanitation.htm <br /><br /> http://www.sealandtechnology.com/accessories.html <br /><br />I hope some of this is useful for you.
 

POINTER94

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Re: Head Suggestions

Thanks rabbit,<br /><br />Great info. I will take a look at that little 5 gal, holding tank and a cricket head. That looks like I might be able to fit in without major surgury.<br /><br />Thanks again,<br /><br />Doug
 

RC Hammer

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Re: Head Suggestions

Doug,<br /><br />I have a 23 foot sea ray overnighter. It has the port a pot head, with an on deck pump out. We strictly use the head for number 1, never #2. We have not problem with any smell, even when full. The head is factory and is now 15 years old. It will be 2 months in extremely hot temperatures between pump outs, and their is no smell. I will say that the smell is quite strong when you use the head, but goes away quickly with the cabin door open and the hatch open. <br /><br />Just a thought. Hope all goes well!<br /><br />Rob
 
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