Help Anyone...

hfalcon

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I have a 89 Bayliner 19.5 Capri with a 3.0 OMC Engine. I was running on the lake when I began smoking from the engine, I stop the engine and immediately checked the oil, it had fuel all in the crankcase. I was towed out by a friend but have not been able to find anyone who can explain what happened.

Is there anyone out there who can guide me in the right direction on how to fix this problem?
 
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DJ

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Fuel in the crankcase usually means your fuel pump has gone south.

Marine fuel pumps vent fuel into the engine, instead of the bilge, if the diaphragm fails.

DO NOT replace with an automotive fuel pump.
 

hfalcon

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DWJ said:
Fuel in the crankcase usually means your fuel pump has gone south.

Marine fuel pumps vent fuel into the engine, instead of the bilge, if the diaphragm fails.

DO NOT replace with an automotive fuel pump.
 

bjcsc

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Fuel pump. That's what is sounds like to me, too...
 

DHPMARINE

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The fuel pump 'vents' to a hose that runs up to the carb.It's clear yellow tubing.If it has fuel in it,you have a bad pump.If not the carb probably is putting fuel into the crankcase. One way or another.

OFF chance: if no hose is present,and no fitting for it on the pump,someone may have already installed an automotive pump on your engine,and yes that would be the problem.

DHP
 

ron7000

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Just because the pump does not have a vent does not mean it's not a "marine" pump. There are plenty of fuel pumps which qualify as ( Dr. Evil raising hands and saying quote) "marine" fuel pumps that don't have vents. My 1975 merc engine had a couple ounce glass bottle off the pump with a sign in it saying if fuel present replace pump. Most of the time that port off the pump is just plugged. The pump fails, as in the diaphram ruptures, it just stops pumping. Fuel doesn't go anywhere. All the pump has to do is not dump fuel into the bilge if it fails, or a better way of putting it would be to say not result in any type of situation that's hazardous since it's dealing with gasoline. And it's funny because all the, quote, "auto", fuel pumps don't vent anything. They fail, they don't pump fuel, that's it. They don't leak anything anywhere. But it seems like all, quote, "marine" fuel pumps have vents. Shouldn't we be asking why did mercruiser or OMC, or maybe USCG, use or require a pump with a vent nipple? Why "vent" fuel anywhere? And in addition why use a stupid push on plastic hose that is not secure? Seems like an accident waiting to happen, chances are the hose got knocked off and just dangling, and if the pump fails it's just going to dump fuel into the bilge. Funny how the fuel line must be USCG rated for heat and fire, and I understand it's under pressure and flows a lot more fuel, but use a p.o.s. plastic hose for a vent line to the carb.
I'm sure the, quote, "automotive" world doesn't design things to be hazardous, and just dump fuel when it fails, and when you look at the traditional mechanical fuel pump that's fit on your typical chevy, an "auto" pump sure looks safe, if not safer, than a "marine" pump with a vent.
 

bjcsc

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Hmmm...not sure what that's all about, but my Jeep has a regular mechanical fuel pump and when and if it fails fuel goes into the crankcase. I wouldn't want that on my boat, in an enclosed compartment. Crankcases are vented...compartment full of gas vapor - no thanks. Way more ventilation in an auto engine compartment. I'd rather have it dump to the carb. Too much dumping to the carb could cause the symptoms hfalcon is seeing and it could be so much it is still making its way to the crankcase as it washes the cylinder walls free of oil. None of this is good...USCG doesn't just make stuff up, it's usually based on people dying. I'm sure if you tried hard enough you could find the cases the pump regs are based on...
 

Don S

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Hmmm...not sure what that's all about

Me neither, but with this post and is one on propping, must be "Boating according to ron7000"
I kind of worry about someone basing all their info on a 1975 boat.
Things have changed, laws and safety rules have changed since the 60's and 70's.
 

Silvertip

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Failure to pump is not the only failure mode for a mechanical fuel pump. A very small hole in the diaghram allows fuel to reach the non-fuel side of the diaphram yet enough outlet pressure is available to keep the engine running. Meanwhile fuel can be dumped into the crankcase through the pushrod cavity oil drainback hole or around the pushrod even if there is a vent. Even if there is a return line to the tank, it takes a little pressure to push excess fuel back so the little hole can create a big problem. The vent line is just one more safety item that can save your life.
 
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