Help Finding Parts-1967 Johnson 20hp

jagibson187

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I've got a 1967 Johnson 20hp Model FD-21R that needs a little help. First off, I've got a spun prop and can't find a new one. Second, my fuel filter has sprung a small leak and loses its prime. I can't seem to find a new filter anywhere either. Can anyone off any suggestions?
 

DHPMARINE

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Re: Help Finding Parts-1967 Johnson 20hp

Parts are everywhere on this board! Where have you been looking ?<br /><br />As I recall,your fuel filter is part of the fuel pump ?<br /><br />DHP
 

jagibson187

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Re: Help Finding Parts-1967 Johnson 20hp

I tried using several differnt websites for prop fitting, they don't seem to have a 20hp prop for 1967 Johnson's. The fuel filter is mounted to the side of the engine block and feeds directly into the side of the block
 

Paul Moir

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Re: Help Finding Parts-1967 Johnson 20hp

Those sites are just being obtuse. A '67 20hp prop is no different from a 1957 18hp or a 1977 25hp. Any 18/20/25hp prop '57-'77 fits just fine, even '53-'56 15hp props fit it. Do you know what pitch prop you're looking for, or what pitch your old prop is? If not, can you tell us about the boat it's on a bit (appx loaded weight, length, etc)?<br /><br />The fuel filter you're describing sounds to me like the fuel pump. Its driven from air pressure pulses from inside the crankcase (ie, the block). This is about a 2"x1.5" with two hoses coming from it, with "FILTER" writen on it right? <br />If so, the "filter" is just a screen behind the cap. Loosen the thumb/penny/slot centre screw to find it. Just clean it manually.<br /><br />Anything else you're after?
 

jagibson187

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Re: Help Finding Parts-1967 Johnson 20hp

The pitch on the prop is illegible, the boat it's mounted on is a 12' Jon boat, with approx. 500 pounds loaded weight. Also, Paul you're dead on with your description of the fuel filter. There is a piece of rubber inside the filter the same dimensions of the filter assembly that is very rigid and may be the source of my leak. Would it be ok to replace it<br />with a new piece of rubber cut to the same dimensions?
 

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Re: Help Finding Parts-1967 Johnson 20hp

It's a bit of a guess of course, but I think a 9x11 would work out better on that boat than a 9x10, especially if you're looking for top speed rather than grunt. Hard to say for sure without actually testing naturally.<br /><br />That cap gasket is pretty nasty for leaks sometimes. Sure, go ahead and make your own rubber gasket - as far as I know it's not available from the dealer. But first test to make sure the material you have is fuel tolerant. Soak it in gasoline for a while if you have to and make sure it doesn't go soft. If bits break off and clog up the carb, you might get left stranded. <br /><br />Unfortunately, that pump is sold as a $50 unit so don't go dissasembling it past the filter or anything.
 

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Re: Help Finding Parts-1967 Johnson 20hp

1) Paul M. knows that motor inside & out upside & down. If he says different than me, do what Paul says.<br />2) Those props seldom get "spun" in the usual sense. They are pin-mounted and driven, without the modern integral bushings or stuff inside the prop to get "spun". Either the shearpin in the prop shaft that drives it is solid and the prop goes round-and-round, or the shearpin is sheared and the prop does not go round-and-round. At least that's my understanding. I suppose it's possible for the brass insert inside of the propeller itself to come loose and "spin". The shearpin is supposed to break first, and generally does. Unless Paul says different.<br />3) If indeed your prop is shot due to the flukes being all busted up from hitting rocks and stuff (which would still not keep it from going round-and-round), or the brass middle is indeed "spinning", you want a replacement prop. Again, Paul is correct: search iBoats or similar sites for a 18HP prop. Michigans are excellent.<br /><br />As for the fuel pump, the 1967 20HP Johnson has the non-repairable pumps. An "improvement" no doubt. But still cheap. Get a replacement fuel pump that fits the 22ci 18-20-25 OMC motor. It's the same fuel pump as many other models. Also, while you're at it, replace all the fuel lines with new ones from the nearest small engine place like Farm & Fleet or somewhre.
 

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Re: Help Finding Parts-1967 Johnson 20hp

Sorry Paul you type fast.<br /><br />Jag follow Paul.
 

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Re: Help Finding Parts-1967 Johnson 20hp

Type too fast? Actually, I had to delete a my first post when I realized he was talking about the cover gasket instead of the diaphram! I know for a fact R.Johnson, Chinewalker, DHadley, rolmops and a bunch of others know way more about these than I could ever hope to know. But I do know that OMC has used rubber bushed props in all their outboards since the 40s or early 50s, including the little 3hp, despite the pin drive. I suppose some other manufacturers didn't though, perhaps some 3rd party ones to fit OMCs?
 

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Re: Help Finding Parts-1967 Johnson 20hp

Please keep posting though. It's members like you that keep this board so helpful.
 

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Re: Help Finding Parts-1967 Johnson 20hp

I couldn't find a listing (part number) for a 9 x 11 prop in my books, however the following may be of some use<br /><br />My books show a 9 x 10-1/2 prop as having the original number of 381801, being superseded up to 383629...... and also a 9-1/4 x 11 prop with the part number of 388088. Both are still available at your local dealership.<br /><br />The fuel pump (sort of vertical rectangular), if it is the original 380016 (unlikely) has a semi round cap which has a tear like protrusion of sorts whos purpose is to lock onto a pin to keep it from turning.<br /><br />That cap part number is 311203 but has been unavailable since 1984, however you may find one still on the shelf at some dealerships or regular outboard repair shops. The gasket is number 311202 and is still available.<br /><br />The new superseded fuel pump 388685 (all parts still available) is square and has a square cap. The cap is number 312692 but has been superseded up to number 329972.<br /><br />The seal/gasket is number 312634 but has been superseded up thru 331363 to 338876.
 

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Re: Help Finding Parts-1967 Johnson 20hp

Jag - Welcome to iBoats!<br />These guys (DHP, Paul M, and Joe) are among the top OMC wrenches worldwide. I'm just a dufus. I read what they have to say and save it in my archives and read it over and over. Their word is gold; I kid you not.<br />I've torn apart four 18-20-25 Johnson/Evinrude 22CI outboards in the past 3 years and fixed two of them up to great condition. One was beyond repair and I ruined one due to stupidity and not paying attention, but we won't go into that. Just avoid overheat. I didn't even hone 'em out and such; they just didn't need it. Mostly it's just basic maintenance issues that have been let slide over the years and clean 'em up with Mean Green degreaser and a toothbrush. Beats watching TV.<br />You have a gem. The 1967 Johnson 20HP is a rock-solid model that was manufactured for 20 years. It's really an 18HP 22 cubic inch model introduced in 1957 and continued through the early 1970's. One carb, two cylinders, no frills, runs like a workin' man. Sucks gas. Eats cold. Likes fish & ducks & fresh 50:1 gas.<br />Use the iBoats "MegaMall" to get a new prop and if you're inclined get a Seloc manual too (bottom left of this page). If you get into it, get a factory manual. eBay is good for that. Learn to use the iBoats Forums "search" feature at the top of this page and learn from the top wrenches. You'll find a new fuel pump at a place called iShop Marine (can't give you their link but you'll find them). Drop the lower unit and put a fresh rubber impeller into the waterpump too. Enjoy.
 

jagibson187

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Re: Help Finding Parts-1967 Johnson 20hp

Thank You All for your help, I have one last question. Do I need to use a lead substitute in the gas, or is the gas and oil mix sufficient?
 

Paul Moir

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Re: Help Finding Parts-1967 Johnson 20hp

No need for a lead subsitute. It never did anything good for a 2 stroke, but rather left deposits. Nor is high octane fuel needed or desired. Use 87 octane gas and TC-W3 outboard oil.<br /><br />My list shows 383629 as a 9x10, perhaps the superceeded parts is 1/2" slighter? I did drop the .25" from 388088 by accident though. Alternatives are the Michigan Wheel 012011 (9x10) or the 012013 (9.25x11). Both BRP and Michigan wheel also offer 'Weedless' props in the 9x10 catagory with slightly different part numbers.
 
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