Help please - First time boat owner

hbh36674

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Today I did something that I later found out was very stupid. I ran my motor out of water. I only ran it for a minute or two, twice. It did not sieze up. Later, I put the waterhose to it. It still runs fine; prop turns in both directions when put in gear. I have drained and replaced the lower unit lube and replaced both spark plugs. All the lines, hoses, and cables look to be in good shape. Now, four questions: 1. What else should I look for to see if I damaged the motor by running it without water? 2. I've read enough posts to know that I probably have messed up the water pump/impeller. How do I know if it is working when hooked up to the hose? 3. Does this motor have a thermostat? If so, where? 4. My wife will kill me if I spend anymore money on this thing, including manuals. How do I get to the water pump/impeller? This is a 1960 40 HP RD-22 Johnson Super Seahorse. Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide.<br /><br />Harvey
 

Paul Moir

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Re: Help please - First time boat owner

Hey there Harvey, don't sweat it. It's probably not too bad.<br /><br />The impeller in the water pump is definitly toast, so there's no sense testing it. It was time to replace it anyway, since it's a good idea to replace them at least once every two years.<br /><br />Your engine does have a thermostat. If you look at the top of the head, above the top spark plug, there should be a plate held on by three bolts. Underneath that is the thermostat. It probably would be a good idea to at least test it.<br /><br />The thing you should do is to run a compression test. Sometimes when an engine overheats, the headgasket leaks due to the head warping. Borrow an automotive compression tester from someone. Then take your spark plugs out, install the compression tester on one cylinder, and crank the engine. Then do the other cylinder. Tell us what you read.<br /><br />A manual is essential for saving money. Try to convince your wife of that. :) Failing that, often you can borrow one from your local library. The Seloc aftermarket manual is my personal favorite for your engine. The OEM ones are generally better, but they're not very good for the beginner. Do not attempt to repair anything until you have one in hand.<br /><br />Hang on a sec, I'll look up some parts for you.
 

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Re: Help please - First time boat owner

Water pump impeller: 18-3083 Here<br />Thermostat kit: 18-3672 Here <br /><br />You can also get those parts at your local NAPA out of their Marine Parts catalog. They will use the same part numbers, and will cost a little more. I've never delt with the place above, but they're cheap.<br /><br />PS - You know to never ever run that engine in neutral or out of the water at over 1500rpms? IE, never ever rev it?<br /><br />Oh, and welcome to Iboats. If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate!<br /><br />EDIT:<br /><br />I have delt with this place. They were a little slow in sending, but at least they told me they had to backorder. And they're cheap too. :) <br /> 18-3083 <br />18-3672
 

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Re: Help please - First time boat owner

Youre in good hands with Iboats!<br /><br />Welcome to the forum!!
 

hbh36674

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Re: Help please - First time boat owner

Paul,<br /><br />Thanks for the information. I'll get to it between today and Sunday. I'll let you know how it goes. No, I didn't know not to run it in neutral above 1500 rpm. Now I do. :) Can I hook a tach and temperature gauge up to that engine somehow? Once again, thanks for everything.<br /><br />Harvey
 

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Paul,<br /><br />Ahh, who needs a manual? I don't need no stinkin' manual. :) I did it the man's way, albeit, probably not the best way. The only thing that was holding the lower unit on was some kind of linkage bolt I accessed through a small panel above the cavitation plate. Once I got the lower unit off, I was able to inspect the impeller. It appears to be new. There are no signs of dry rot, chipping, or any other damage. I did find, however, that most of the water ducts, for lack of a better term, throughout the motor were clogged with dead bugs and other debris. Now, I need to make sure all these are free of obstructions. The impeller blades were pointed counter-clockwise. Do you know if that is correct? One other thing, I had looked at the thermostat before and didn't realize that's what it was. Once I removed the plate, I was able to take out the plastic sleeve. It should only consist of the plastic sleeve, a ball, and a spring, right? The spring was pretty rusty. I'll be replacing that tonight. Am I on the right track? If I can get the equipment, I'll run a compression test this weekend. If not, should I be able to tell by the engine's performance if there is a compression problem? Thanks again.<br /><br />Harvey
 

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Hah! I used to think that way, then I got a manual. I liked it so much I got two.<br />The thing about the impeller is this, it's supposed to have it's blades pointing straight out like a star. If your impeller has any out-of-roundness to it, that's called a set. In addition to it not performing well in this state, they have a tendency to fly apart and clog up water passages. A new one's under $20. This is not the part you want to be frugal with.<br /><br />Sounds like your thermostat is missing. Probably to cure an overheating problem from the bad impeller. :) Everything underneath the plastic sleeve is correct, it's just that there should be a thermostat before (inside) the plastic sleeve. Your engine will run much better with a thermostat then without, especially at idle.<br /><br />You may be able to tell by performance, if you can accurately compare it to previous performances. A compression test is a good idea just to guage the health of the engine. <br /><br />As you noticed when you disengaged the shift linkage through the access plate in the midsection, you have to completely remove one of the bolts on the coupler in order to get it off. The round of the bolt's shank keys into that groove in the shift rod. So it's non-adjustable and should go straigt back together. :) <br />It is very important that you lightly grease the splines at the top of the driveshaft before reassembly, and replace the o-ring up there if it is degraded. Anti-corrosive grease works best. If you fail to do this, the driveshaft is lible to become corroded and bound to the crankshaft, making your next impeller replacement much more difficult. Also, I suggest your put a coat of permatex #3 aviation sealer (available at most auto supply places) on the lower unit bolts before reinstalling them. They'll come out again next time if you follow this step. :) <br /><br />When installing the impeller, turn the driveshaft clockwise (the same way as your engine turns) as you push the impeller housing over the impeller. It's not a big deal if you do this backwards, apparently these long-bladed impellers will flip when you start the engine. I don't expect that will work for a used impeller though.<br /><br />Still think a manual is useless? :) <br /><br />EDIT: I forgot to answer your first question. The original tachometer for that engine was made specifically for 50's-60's OMC 40hp and under engines. They are rare now. A regular outboard tach will not work, since they're not designed to operate with the magneto ignition system. Tinytach, which hooks up to a spark plug lead (inductive pickup) works fine. Unfortunetly, the folks at TinyTach have apparently been less then helpful lately. :confused: <br />It's worth a try though. They work well, and are pretty inexpensive. <br /> TinyTach
 

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Re: Help please - First time boat owner

Paul,<br /><br />I called a local Johnson/Evinrude authorized dealer. He carries the thermostat and the impeller...and the manual. The first two together are about $40.00, the manual is another $30.00. What's another thirty, right? The o-ring looks good. I'm starting to think that the previous owner tried to keep it up before he "retired" it. After I get these parts, all I need to do is blow out the crap in the ducts. Hopefully, I'll get to take it out for a test run by Sunday.<br /><br />Harvey
 

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Sounds good. $30 is a fair price for that manual. It will save you hundreds. :) <br />The OEM manual costs around $40 if you buy it on-line. Sometimes they turn up on ebay for under $20. I don't see one there now.<br /><br />Post back and tell us how you made out!
 

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Re: Help please - First time boat owner

Paul Moir <br /><br />Don't want to change the subject, but I ordered a tack from TinyTach last week and the person I spoke to was most helpful.
 

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Thanks Dave, that's good to know. It must have been a one time thing then. <br /><br />Tiny Tach issue. <br /><br />By all means then, get a TinyTach!
 
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