Help please, need a few photos of a '83 15hp johnson

[ONERCBOATER]

motor is a 1983 J15ELCTR johnson,
ok, I fess up, I got in a hurry and have a few wires left over after a rebuild on this engine.... Yes i have a manual, no it isnt much help here. I would be willing to paypal someone $5 if they would be kind enough to take a few pictures of a 15hp at or about 1983 (with the cd type2 ignition) and preferably electric start if possible. I can also offer pictures in exchange of my engine partially put back together if someone wondered what it looks like, or pics of my '83 7.5hp which is in perfect running order.
I am also not picky if you got the same series of motor with evinrude badges that pic will work fine for me as well

I would wing it, but at this point I am on an extreme budget and frankly dont feel like letting the magic smoke out of any of the electronics.

Thank you again.... and I will do my best to check in at least weekly and help out those i can

Sean :redface:

 

[OptsyEagle]

Re: Help please, need a few photos of a '83 15hp johnson

This guy on Ebay is selling a 1984 Johnson/Evinrude. He has some pictures but I can't say they will show you what you need.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/John...3335706QQsspagenameZRSSQ3aBQ3aSRCHQ3aUSQ3a101

 

[ONERCBOATER]

Re: Help please, need a few photos of a '83 15hp johnson

1st thank you for the link, I sent a mail to him after looking at the link, and asked if i could get larger pictures emailed to me, and offered to pay for them if need be. no harm in offering to grease palms when asking a total stranger to go out of their way for me

thank you again for the link, and the idea.... i never thought to ask one of them or to look at the ebay pics, thanks again.

Sean

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: Help please, need a few photos of a '83 15hp johnson

well, we at iboats, do not require palm greasing, and it is not approved of. we are here to help others not make a buck.

if i had the pics, i would just gladly send them to you.

suggestion is, for you to post pictures of your questionable areas. then we could recognize your problems.

 

[bktheking]

Re: Help please, need a few photos of a '83 15hp johnson

I can cut and paste the entire wiring diagram for you out of the manual, PM me your email address if you need it. I had an 83 non electric start but they are all pretty much the same from 77+. As far as palm greasing goes, I pretty much do that daily working on my own motors.

 

[CatTwentyTwo]

Re: Help please, need a few photos of a '83 15hp johnson

I have an 84 9.9, it does not have electric start but I could take a few pictures tomorrow if you think it will help. Are there specific wires or connectors you are looking for?

 

[ONERCBOATER]

Re: Help please, need a few photos of a '83 15hp johnson

ok I will take a few pics of the things that i am questioning and of the overall motor, keep in mind that it is not very pretty, should it pass the run test and not need to be torn down again i will spend some time and make it look all shiny new and glossy. pics will have to be taken tomorrow or wed as schedule allows... my work takes precedents and when I get home my fishing partner demands a large amount of my time. as you can see he is all about fishing and boating

also thank you all for your help, if i can ever assist you dont be afraid to ask.

 

[ONERCBOATER]

Re: Help please, need a few photos of a '83 15hp johnson

ok here are the pics.....

the larger gauge red wire with the ring style connector on it, and on the other side a wire of black equal size with a ring connector on it. I am thinking these may be charge wires for/to the battery but do not wish to hook it up without someone who is familiar with this. they both come out from under the stator plate. one to the right and one two the left.

also two wires leading from the high voltage coils that were just cut off.... i think they are the kill as following them appears to go to ground from coil if i connect the two.

I included a picture of the stator plate to make sure what I thought i think is stuff is is in fact what it is.

I believe that i have a magneto the large black coil, a sensore the white one with a sharp point (wedge shape) and two AC voltage coils (that feed the rectifier on the storbord side of the motor.) I have a feeling that the red and black heavy gauge wires then take the rectified power and send it to the battery, am I correct with my train of thought?

I will still have to put the hand starter and electric starter in, and get a solinoid for the starter, and get a kill button prior to putting it on the water.

please dont lol too hard at the paint.... I am going to have to dress that up AFTER i get her running as she should.

thank you all again for your help.

Sean

 

[ONERCBOATER]

Re: Help please, need a few photos of a '83 15hp johnson

bump

I apologize for the unabashed bump, but am hoping that someone can help me compare please. I will not bump it again, I am just awaiting confirmation that the wires are what i think they are before starting it up at this point or connecting it to battery. I believe I can safely start it by hand without the battery connected to check function at this point. I just can't afford to fry anything as budget is really tight and wife put her foot down. Thank you anyhow for help I already got.

Sean

 

[kbait]

Re: Help please, need a few photos of a '83 15hp johnson

Look up your model here: http://epc.brp.com/SiteMods/BRP_Public/BRP_Public_Login.aspx?ReturnUrl=/Index.aspx

Should show the wires, I believe..

 

[bktheking]

Re: Help please, need a few photos of a '83 15hp johnson

Here is another article

http://www.sschapterpsa.com/ramblings/johnson_9.9_electricstarthtm.htm

Perhaps the Machinest could shed some light for you. That red wire with the small terminal wouldn't go to the battery in your pic, it's too small. I suspect it would go to the terminal block on the side of the powerhead to feed the rectifier. If you look at the wiring diagram I sent you it all makes sense. There should be a thick 10-12 gauge or so wire going from the battery to the starter switch ( a ground too I suspect). A lead is taken off of the starter switch, smaller I suspect that goes to the terminal block. Another red wire lead goes from the starter switch to the neutral switch which feeds the starter. Those should be the only red wires under the hood according to the diagram. Perhaps your motor is missing some parts to make this work?

 

[David Foe]

Re: Help please, need a few photos of a '83 15hp johnson

Well, I have the head and exhaust cover off my 9.9 HP (same basic thing that you have I think) and I can tell you that the red wire on the motor's right hand side with the ring terminal goes to the terminal on the bottom of starter (8-32 thread) -- your pictures don't show a starter but one pic shows the place that it would screw into. So, no problem, wrap the end of the terminal with tape to prevent a short and pull the chord.

David

 

[ONERCBOATER]

Re: Help please, need a few photos of a '83 15hp johnson

ok tyvm, and I really am thankful for you pulling the motor cover from your 9.9, currently the starter motor is sitting on shelf waiting to go in this afternoon, likewise the flywheel.

My concern stemmed from the red wire coming out from under the stator assembly just like the black wire. I know the motor was monkeyed with prior to my getting it, beyond a doubt . the starter solenoid is missing as is the start button and the kill button. Having looked very carefully at the schematics provided to me, and that i have identified the wires heading towards the bow as the kill/grounding/short wires for the coils, that is a for sure. the starter wires (as they came not as they should be) were two lengths of wire one to ground by the front motor mount and one to the positive post on the starter and extending about 6ft out of the lower motor cover. The two wires in question with the ring terminals, one off each side of motor coming from under the stator were extended and also left the lower motor cover and had about 10ft of 14ga or 18ga wire added to them.

The throttle was also monkeyed about with but that is fit for a different post, as i think it may be of help to people on how i fixed it and the gear mesh. The carb was stuck closed and required disassembly and cleaning to free it up.

In this condition with the carb cleaned up and fuel fed to it directly as i didnt wish to contaminate the carb with stuff in the fuel line or pump, it ran, which is how i found out that not only was the water pump failed, but that the tubes were plugged and the head gasket had leaked.

I was thinking that the red and black wire showing were rectified current from the stator, but having read enough in several locations including my manual (which is marginal at best) I have been terrified to hook 12VDC to anything connected with the stator for fear of frying something I can't afford to replace.

I am thinking that since it ran with these wires isolated, that i should just reinstall both starters (manual and electric) and then give it a pull leaving these wires isolated, maybe to check with a multi meter should the engine fire and run. I have read somewhere that the voltage from these was rectified but not regulated, so without the battery in connection may easily exceed the 12-14.5v I would expect. Is this correct?

Oh and BK yeah the machinists writings on this motors series are nothing short of invaluable, I have been enlightened every time i have read from his site, and have almost finished reading his entire site at this point.

I will dutifully check this thread before I pull the rope just in case I someone notes a reason why i shouldn't or something else I should be looking for.

I included a close up pic of where the red wire goes up under the stator, unfortunately it got painted white so it is hard to see in the pic, but it goes behind the ratchet mechanism for the shifter and under the stator. the back one does exactly the same thing on the other side. I assume it goes to ground on the motor so that the motor case is electrically negative, but not sure as it was separate originally as I got it.

wow I didn't mean to make this such a long post, sorry.

Sean

 

[ONERCBOATER]

Re: Help please, need a few photos of a '83 15hp johnson

:redface:

ok i have a confession,....
the wires that didn't seem to make sense and seemed to be coming out of the stator err..... are just one wire. it is going from port to starboard under the stator. after looking at the schematic, and then making a color version of the schematic i got the whole wiring system in my head, and discovered that the wire originally came off of the neutral safety switch and went to the starter. as I am missing a neutral safety switch, start button and kill button, those will be the next items I get.

Thank you all for your patience and not calling me a knuckle head especially as you was right on and i couldnt see it.

if anyone would like I can post the schematic that I created to understand the wiring after looking at the real schematic which is in black and white, i just dont think so well in black and white so from scratch i recreated one and checked it against the original. I would be more than willing to post it here in this thread or mail it to someone should they need it.

Your guys are a pretty good group of peeps, I am very happy to have found you.

Sean

 

[dazk14]

Re: Help please, need a few photos of a '83 15hp johnson

Glad to hear you've getting it sorted out. There's been a lot written, so I think this might be covered. I can help with parts, as well.

As you realize, there's no solenoid. +12v red from battery to start switch. This same start switch terminal adds a 2nd wire ~14GA red that connects to red lead on rectifier - made at terminal strip inside motor.

Other start switch terminal had 10GA red. that connects to one terminal on the "neutral only" start switch . Other neutral start switch terminal gets 10GA red to starter motor. An yes they shoe horn this wire under magneto.

Black ground from battery simply gets bolted externally on the steering bracket front most section(underside).. There is a hole in front for this. There is also a cable clamp that uses the same ground bolt to relieve strain on both battery cables. You'll notice the motor end length of the battery cables have slightly different lengths to ensure a perfect fit.

Both the Neutral only switch and the main start switch is the same. As I recall the start switch adds a small rubber cap, but the switches are identical and carry the full amperage going to the starter.

Given that these switches are tough to find used and cost $60 new, I'd eliminate the neutral switch, unless you've got kids that will be using it. The Neutral switch also requires a small bracket that is NLA.

I'm sure I've got a functional start switch and possibly a stop switch. I believe you can pm me and I'll send what I have as a freebie, just need your address.

Oh ya, your spark plugs are missing the terminal nuts. Verify that's what you have for a connection in the plug leads, as that is not stock.

 

[wilde1j]

Re: Help please, need a few photos of a '83 15hp johnson

Maybe next time you might consider taking pictures before tearing everything apart.

 

[ONERCBOATER]

Re: Help please, need a few photos of a '83 15hp johnson

next time I will likely do a video documentary to myself on it and describe everything I come across as I tear it down. I have felt very much like a heel through a good portion of this. Converting the black and white schematic to color definitely gave me time to get aqquainted with the system. Once again I thank you for your patience as a group.

Sean

 

[ONERCBOATER]

Re: Help please, need a few photos of a '83 15hp johnson

double post