Help!!!! Tilt issues ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[mike_51_deluxe]

Okay, so as you could have guessed from the title. My tilt is not working

I have a 79 Campion 19ft IO with the 302 v8 (185)

Bought from a co worker and over the winter the tilt stopped working. All it would do is click at the solenoids.

So, I bought a new tile motor, bought new solenoids and after installing, un installing, re installing, un installing, and finally re-installing the new tilt motor one last time Im ready to break into tears as I blow my own damn head off!!

I charged the battery and the "trim" works great, however the tilt still just clicks.

I installed the new solenoids and still the same click, yet no trim movement.

I did test the motor when it was out and it worked. However it would work fine for about five seconds then start to die down then just click........of course.

When the motor was installed, I tried just connecting a positive wire from the battery straight to the motor, and all it does is spark, I assumed maybe a bad ground, but after grounding it and getting the same result Im soo stumped I dont know what to do.

Oh yeah, when the tilt motor was out, I was able to take a pair of needle nose plyers and easily turn the hammer dealy thing and lower/raise the outdrive, so I know it isnt locked.

I cheched the "gear box" thing that is filled with oil and connected to the outdrive. It was fine and the oil was clean.


So, does anyone have any ideas what the F*&K is going on with this thing. Please help me if you have any ideas. I read one thread that seem to have the exact same issue, but it lead off on another subject.

HELP!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks~!!!

 

[mike_51_deluxe]

Re: Help!!!! Tilt issues ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Come on guys, any ideas?? Im dieing to go boating lol

 

[SeanMcl]

Re: Help!!!! Tilt issues ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I did test the motor when it was out and it worked. However it would work fine for about five seconds then start to die down then just click........of course.

I am guessing that you directly connected it with jumper cables to the battery for this test, and it dies after spinning for 5 seconds with no load? If so, your battery is bad, or your new tilt motor is bad.

 

[mike_51_deluxe]

Re: Help!!!! Tilt issues ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Hummmm that makes sense, however the tilt still works fine, and the starter still turns the engine and starts. Im really really really really hoping it isnt the motor as its brand new.

 

[sw33ttooth]

Re: Help!!!! Tilt issues ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

does the new motor spin if you connect the 2 wires to the battery in your truck or car? if so it is good my guess is it might be one of the wires connected to the trim solenoid i replaced trim motor on my johnson 90 v4 this spring and i replaced the 2 solenoids there were about 5 wires going to each of them i would make sure that there all connected. assuming that whom ever you bought the boat from didn't have a mouse/rat issue eating wires over the winter.

 

[SeanMcl]

Re: Help!!!! Tilt issues ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Hummmm that makes sense, however the tilt still works fine, and the starter still turns the engine and starts. Im really really really really hoping it isnt the motor as its brand new.

I don't know what to tell you, but if you take out all the variables like your boats wiring, solenoids, battery, outdrive, etc. by hooking the tilt motor up to a known good battery (in your running car) with good jumper cables and the motor still won't spin for more than 5 seconds with no load... your tilt motor is bad.

does the new motor spin if you connect the 2 wires to the battery in your truck or car? if so it is good my guess is it might be one of the wires connected to the trim solenoid i replaced trim motor on my johnson 90 v4 this spring and i replaced the 2 solenoids there were about 5 wires going to each of them i would make sure that there all connected. assuming that whom ever you bought the boat from didn't have a mouse/rat issue eating wires over the winter.

Totally different animals, sw33ttooth. He is talking about the _tilt_ motor on an old OMC. It is separate from the the _trim_ motor and one can function with or without the other.

 

[mike_51_deluxe]

Re: Help!!!! Tilt issues ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

The only way to test that would be to take the motor back out, and I dont know if youve ever installed one of these, but its about as much fun as smashing your thumbs with a hammer:facepalm:

 

[SeanMcl]

Re: Help!!!! Tilt issues ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

its about as much fun as smashing your thumbs with a hammer:facepalm:

But is it more fun than having your outdrive stuck down while beaching in shallow water?

I feel your pain, brother. I have a '74 OMC 190 electric shift.

And I thought you said you already did the test with the tilt motor out, under no load and it would only spin for 5 seconds and then stop. If that is how it performs under no load, I can't imagine how it could work better installed. Can you return the motor? Or take it to a place that rebuilds elec. motors and get it tested and fixed. I have always taken mine for a rebuild when mine dies.

And my symptoms have been the same as yours for a dying tilt motor. Charged battery, clicking solenoid, outdrive not bound up, lift clutch OK, no movement.

 

[helijimma]

Re: Help!!!! Tilt issues ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i am new as well, but i may be able to help. i have a 77 with 190 omc outdrive. do you have an omc? if you do you may have gone the route i did, i bought a tilt motor on ebay for 50 bucks, instead of the factory replacement for 250. regardless what this means is the tiny contacts are not as good in this one as the expensive one. repeat useage makes them heat up and not work. so. you must for testing purposes wait about 45 second to re-engage it, (if it just clicks.) this gives time for the contacts to cool. i have had no problem with mine since i found this out. moving on to no movement out back. there is a clucth assembly on the outdrive, port side(left). the clutch if not assembled and oiled properly may have to much resistance for the motor. after i exploded mine, soaked it in oil, and reassembled it. mine still did not move. then i tried it with the clutch cover off, and wiggling the outdrive. it would work...wtf? i thought. then i found out the clutch cover has a gasket that is also a shim for the shaft. without this it was in a bind and half the time the contacts were not working because of running her so much. a 20 dollar gasket. and i was tilting like a dream. i still could not motor it continuously up and down and up and down for long periods, but when do you need to do that? so after that if i needed to i would just count to 30 slowly and go again! let me know?

 

[helijimma]

Re: Help!!!! Tilt issues ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

oh, sorry... and i forgot while you have clutch out check the worm drive, its the spiral thing that turns the clutch. if you remove the clutch try your motor then. if it spins, tilt, and worm drive are good! got to be clutch and/or that damn gasket!

 

[mike_51_deluxe]

Re: Help!!!! Tilt issues ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Oh man, I cant tell you how happy I am to have people giving me some advice on this. Yes I did go the $50 tilt motor route, only I got it brand new off Amizon.com but maybe that is still a problem. So even with the new motor, Im only getting clicking? And like I said I was about to move the outdrive up and down easily by turning the coupler with a pair of needle nose.

Also tried to take a wire and go straight from the batter to the motor, in order to bypass a possibly bad solenoid, however it only sparks?? WTF could be cause that?

 

[helijimma]

Re: Help!!!! Tilt issues ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

do you have a book for that outdirve? because there is a specific way to test the motor. the housing must be grounded and the direction of spin is based on which wire gets the positive contact. the other thing to check to is on the outdrive(outside of the rubber boot) there is a ground wire somewhere that grounds the outdrive itself. also maybe a test for the ground conection to the block? with that spark it sounds like something in the motor itself may be shorting out? when you installed it did it come apart at all? those things are very touchy. they must be held tightly together for all the working points inside to stay in the right position. if something moved this could be the problem. if thats the case. take it to your local electric shop, a place where they rebuild electric motors, or rebuild alternators. i exploded mine and it was only 15 bucks for him to put it back together, he can also check the contacts i metioned above. how is the fit? the motor is nice and flush? the shaft for sure is aligned? do you have the orignal? if so you could double check shape and shaft legnth. keep me posted.

 

[SeanMcl]

Re: Help!!!! Tilt issues ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Also tried to take a wire and go straight from the batter to the motor, in order to bypass a possibly bad solenoid, however it only sparks?? WTF could be cause that?

1. An internal short in the motor. 2. Incorrect wiring causing a short, ie your ground wire being connected to (or touching) either tilt motor lead.

Do you have the manual? if not get it here, http://www.4shared.com/file/zF-DZrvB/1964_-_1986_OMC_Sterndrive_Man.html and flip to section 8. It has testing procedures, wiring diagrams, etc.

 

[helijimma]

Re: Help!!!! Tilt issues ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

hey thanks sean! that manuel is sweet! i have the paper copy, but now its forever.

 

[Howard Sterndrive]

Re: Help!!!! Tilt issues ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

you have to start troubleshooting where the electrical and mechanical systems meet

Also tried to take a wire and go straight from the batter to the motor, in order to bypass a possibly bad solenoid, however it only sparks?? WTF could be cause that?

sparks mean either the motor is defective, or the clutch/worm system or outdrive trunnions are seized

if the latter is the problem, you may have burned up the new motor by feeding it heavy amounts of unlimited unfused current (sparks in the bilge are dangerous btw, run the blower)

remove the motor and try turning the hammer blow coupler with a screwdriver. You should be able to wind the drive to the full UP position without breaking a sweat.... if it is hard to turn, fix the tilt clutch and worm gear system or simply grease the outdrive trunnions if they are the sticky spot- they should be greased twice a season

 

[mike_51_deluxe]

Re: Help!!!! Tilt issues ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

The motor has no "ground" wire. Only two positives that connect via a clip that only fits one way, so I know those are right. The ground is just the motor being bolted to the outdrive. I even cleaned the area to get the best ground possible. Its possible the motor could have slid slightly appart during install. The design of these, and given area you have to install these is aweful. So I guess for now I just need to pull the motor, ( again :facepalm: ) and check it out again. The motor its self is really simple, so Ill make sure all the points etc are correct. I feel like maybe there is an issue with the power going to the motor. Actually Ill definitely check that before I pull the motor again, im really really not looking forward to having to do that again lol

 

[helijimma]

Re: Help!!!! Tilt issues ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i had mine out a dozen times or so, and you will be very good at it when your done! good luck.