HIN Issue

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i just picked up an 86 bayliner but the HIN has been gel coated over. the title has a different HIN and is registered as a California home made boat with a 2010 model year and Bayliner as the manufacturer. I can’t find a second HIN. The previous owner said that a new title was issued and it is not a problem. Should I worry about having it impounded at a boat inspection or place a HIN tag with the new hull id?
 

jbcurt00

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Demand a refund and return the boat, let the seller sort the mess.

Sounds hinkey to me.... no matter what state(s) you and seller are from....
 

Lightwin 3

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I disagree. MHO. This happens more often than one might think. Especially with trailers as some states do not title or register trailers.

Arizona does not title boats at all.

If you have a valid state issued title, especially since it says "homemade", it looks like someone went to the trouble of straightening out the mess. If the CA registration and title agree, you should be OK.

Not a whole lot different than a "title lost" or "salvage" title.
 

GA_Boater

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Welcome aboard.

When did Bayliner start building boats in their backyard?

If a homemade title was issued, a new HIN is also issued by the titling state and in most cases will give the owner a permanent sticker with the assigned HIN. If the third letter in the HIN on the title, it will be a "Z" and nothing else.

From the California DMV;

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It does start with CFZ but no sticker is present. It could have gone through the process in California but never put the sticker on. My worry is 1. Getting it impounded during a routine inspection and 2. Trouble selling it in the future if I decide
 

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Depends on the particular person doing the inspection.

its a 1986 boat, HINs were issued and in use in 1986, the inspector should know that and know where to look for it on the boat. Its been covered/removed/tampered with and doesnt match your paperwork, all of which are expressly covered in the inspection info for my state, and likely to illicit additional inspections/questions and/or proof of ownership transfer back to the original owner and/or manufacturer statement of origin.

The 'newly' issued HIN isnt permanently adhered to the hull, which is also covered in the inspection info for my state and again likely to illicit questions/inspections and or paperwork you probably dont have.

If its a rebuilt boat, as suggested above, wouldnt/shouldnt the original HIN stay w the boat, and then have Rebuilt/Salvaged/whatever simply added to the original title docs? Not a new state issued HIN....

And as Don asked, how can it be both Homebuilt and a Bayliner manufactured boat.

But you might get lucky and get a LEO or DMV agent that isnt particularly interested in actually doing the inspection....

California LEOs are known for carelessly carrying out their assigned duties, right?
:argue:

All of which is a hassle I wouldn't want to deal w, and falls back to the seller, not me....

for what it's worth, in my experience, this is a problem for old, pre-1972 boats, and for those old boats, it does happen, and happens fairly often. For post 1972 hulls, it shouldnt be this convoluted....

directly to your questions:

1) yep, probably maybe
2)yep, probably maybe

Again who wouldn't want that ^^^ hassle
 
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