How can you trust your mechanic when....

RobDar

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My mechanic problems started two years ago...<br />I took my boat to the mechanic where I had bought the boat used. After giving him a month to fix my boat before I needed it for vacation (he said I would have it back in 10-14 days) he "got it done" just in the nick of time....actually I picked it up on my way out of town. The repair cost me $600 and when I got to vacation the boat still did not run. We called, the mechanic told me exactly what it needed and how to make it run temporarily (choke module needed replacing)...this told me he had never tested it after whatever repairs he said he had performed...or did not have the "time" to repair it properly...either way it was the last time he was going to work on my boat.<br /><br />The next mechanic I took it to charged me more than twice the going local labor rate...$135 an hour...and when I asked him about it he commented saying..."Well take the F$&#@ing thing back to the guy who screwed you then"<br />by the way he was supposed to replace my manifold and instead simply patched it.<br /><br />The third guy seems to hold the attitude that as long as he gets the boat back to you before the water freezes he has done good work. After having had my boat for more than a month, my repeated calls to get a idea on when the boat would be done (I knew others whose boats had gone in after mine and been repaired and returned already) he told me I needed a new power head...my compression on the middle cylinder was low, it would be $2400 and I should just come pick up the boat because he wanted nothing to do with it anymore.<br /><br />The fourth guy...<br />automatically before I even finished explaining my problem...it was the VRO...the mechanics favorite three letters. He came back with $800 dollars of repairs my boat needed. I did not have the money (but did have my share of suspicions) so I pulled my boat.<br /><br />HERE IS THE GOOD PART<br />A friend of mine in our Bass club put me in touch with a retired Johnson outboard service guy who also used to be a service instructor for Johnson back in the day. I told him about the list of $800 in repairs (VRO, oil pick up, sensor, alarm module)<br />this guy said "They have no damned idea whats wrong with it. They are covering all the bases and their asses, bring it to me"<br /><br />I took my boat to him. He had it two days and came back with this...<br /><br />the first guy had installed the wrong size hoses on the secondary side of my fuel filter.<br /><br />My compression on the middle cylinder was normal for a 1989 60 horse Johnson. He said it is a "restricted" 70 horse and the porting on the carbs used then makes the center cylinder run "soft". He said all motors of that era with my carb and head will read soft on the center cylinder. He said it was fine and never let anyone tell me different.<br /><br />He replaced my manifold, rather than just patch it, which should have been done in the first place...<br /><br />My VRO was fine.<br /><br />Oil pick up was fine.<br /><br />My alarm...the buzzer itself, up under the throttle box, the plactic jacket on one terminal was worn off causing it to occassionally pick up a ground off the hull and ring.<br /><br />Carbs were out of balance...one running way rich and another running bland...he adjusted them<br /><br />He fixed my boat for $60 plus parts...it has never run better<br /><br />How can we trust our mechanics when they behave this way?
 

CATransplant

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Re: How can you trust your mechanic when....

A common complaint. The quality of service folks varies widely out there. Once you find someone who does the job and does it right, stick to that person like glue.<br /><br />How to find the good ones? I guess the best way is to ask other boat owners and see what their experiences have been.<br /><br />Same with cars. Same with appliance repair. Same with all repairs.<br /><br />Frankly, that's one of the reasons so many of us are here on this forum. We've decided to fix the darned things ourselves and to help each other out.
 

swist

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Re: How can you trust your mechanic when....

Not to forgive shoddy work or crappy business ethics, but there is a shortage of marine mechanics and those that are around now have more different types of engines and technologies thatn ever before, many of which are pretty sophisticated and require a lot of training, which no one has time for. Because of the shortage most marinas etc will hire almost anybody who can carry a wrench. <br /><br />It is not a good situation. You gotta find the good guys through references and then stick with them.
 

rodbolt

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yep <br /> to many times the wrench turner has a box full of nice tools and no clue.<br /> as far as instructors go I have been to many many service schools for a lot of brands. only in one school have I ever had an instructor with actual field experience. normally I know more than the instruictors about the products before I get there. you would not believe what is not taught at training schools. I went to a drivetrain school for yamaha a bit ago. the instructor's closest experience was working on the OMC/BRP assy line in cahoon GA. never once had ever attempted to remove a bearing carrier after 7 years of salt. after 7 years of salt the tools from merc and yamaha are as helpful as teats on a boar hog. best leaave them at the school house. but I like going to schools. I meet very good techs. but we also have a fair share of techs that were idiots when they got there and idiots when they left. I work with people that make the same mistakes for 20 years. myself I and my family have been in this area for a bit. my great grandfather bought the land in 1885 that I live on. its not uncommon for a customer to walk in my house at 6:30 AM and wake me up. I charge extra for a wake up but I will run over and have a look.
 

khc1970

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Re: How can you trust your mechanic when....

I think the other extreme applies here. I once wanted my 86 johnson 30 serviced, I rang 3 different johnson agent and none of them would touch it, claiming it's too old. Eventually I found a back street marine mechanic who is in his 50's and worked (and trained) on various older outboards.
 

RobDar

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Re: How can you trust your mechanic when....

I plan to use this guy in the future...as long as he is willing and able.<br />I often say that....While I may be mechanically inclined, I have no inclination to be a mechanic...I think though that I will be left few choices and will need to rely on you guys for help now and again.
 

timmathis

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Re: How can you trust your mechanic when....

It's hard to find anybody that has A boat shop that will work on the older ones that not booked for 2 or 3 weeks. For any major work! And honest ones are few and far inbetween! And you have to be carefull.I know one guy that has spent $2000.00 And his boat still won't run.<br /> Good luck.
 

bigbrownbuku

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i love old engines. they are always simpler to work on and fix. yamaha schools are a joke. that company is far to focused on motorcycles. volvo schools are by far the best ive attended of late.
 

CATransplant

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Re: How can you trust your mechanic when....

Here in the Twin Cities, MN, there's one ad in the Yellow Pages for a guy who will ONLY work on older OMC outboards...back to 1954, and nothing past the 1970's. If I had one and needed someone else to work on it, I'd sure give him a call.<br /><br />In a lot of places, there's an independent shop with someone who's gone on his own, usually an older guy with lots of experience on the older stuff. They're jewels...
 

LubeDude

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Re: How can you trust your mechanic when....

Originally posted by CATransplant:<br /> <br />In a lot of places, there's an independent shop with someone who's gone on his own, usually an older guy with lots of experience on the older stuff. They're jewels...
Its the same way with old cars now, the young guys have no clue and want to sell you new carbs and such. I find no problem fixing and rebuilding old Holleys. Just did a pair of them on a 63 427 Galaxie that were leaking all over the place. He owns a Ford garage and had them "fixed" at his own shop. Guy that supposidly "fixed" them told him that, "All those old Holleys leak"! Oh no they dont.
 

Triton II

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Re: How can you trust your mechanic when....

This thread makes me sad. Why can't we make our youngsters (and I'm not THAT old... 47 yesterday :eek: ) understand that some of the things the human race made a long time ago are just as good if not better than the modern stuff. I still use a 1948 Sidchrome socket set that my father gave me in 1963 when I was five and his arthritis stopped him using tools. It is battered and shows traces of rust, but the twelve point faces are still perfect despite being buried in my childhood sandpit, then resurrected and subjected to years of use and abuse ever since.
 

BF

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Re: How can you trust your mechanic when....

you know your in trouble when the mechanic says,<br /><br />"Hi I'm Ben, Ben Dover" ;)
 

Twidget

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Re: How can you trust your mechanic when....

you know your in trouble when the mechanic says,<br /><br />"Hi I'm Ben, Ben Dover" [Wink]
ROFLMAO, we used to have a financial adviser on the radio around here named Ben Dover.
 

rabidfish

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Re: How can you trust your mechanic when....

I just want to say... <br />I am not one of the mechanics he brought it to...<br />But I know how this happens... <br />In this area, it happens all the time.
 

rodbolt

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Re: How can you trust your mechanic when....

rabidfish<br /> happens here a lot as well. to many wrench monkeys with no clue. as far as a soft cyl I guess its possible but all the service literature I ever read states a ten psi difference max. when in doubt though a leakdown test silences all qurrals. its a definative test of the ability of the cyl to seal.any more than 12% leakage on a two stroke and its time to find the problem.
 

dukewichers

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Re: How can you trust your mechanic when....

Why pick on the young guys ?? I'm 25 and a fully certifed Cummins and Detroit Tech. I love working on the older engines (nothing like running 8V71 or 855 after a fresh tune up). So please please don't stereotype younger mechanics... <br /><br />Bayou Thunder
 
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