how many hours is too many?

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indy440

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I'm sure this topic has been covered many times in the past but my search function does not work and I can't find anything about it.

I'm looking at a 1987 bowrider with the 3.0 4-cylinder (140hp) and the merc outdrive. How many hours is too many? It has over 800 on it. He sounds like he has taken really good care of it (inside storage, oil changes, etc) but 800 hours seems like a lot. Is it too many? I haven't gone to look at the boat yet because its really far and he wants 3200 for it, but i'm sick of looking at junk boats and this one sounds decent.
 

JustJason

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Re: how many hours is too many?

its not the hours that matters, its the neglect. If he's taken care of it then hours wont matter to much.
A compression check will be easy on a 140, have hime do one in front of you.

And most importantly, put it in the water, check for leaks, run the motor and make sure it makes full power under load and make sure your happy with the ride of the boat.
 

sbbamafan

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Re: how many hours is too many?

My boat will cross the 1100 hour mark in the next few weeks. Runs like new. Looks great, too. I don't feel like I pamper it but when I look at other people's boats and how most let them go to hell in a handbag, I guess I do.
 

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Re: how many hours is too many?

800 on a 22 year old boat thats been taken care of is not really something I'd be concerned about. It shows the boat has been used, but thats not such a bad thing. Sitting does really bad things to mechanical and electrical systems. If its been used, more than likely problems would have been dealt with as they happened, and things weren't allowed to simply waste away with age.


Just an example of why low hours aren't all they're cracked up to be. Our boat had about 300 on it when we got it, and it was a nightmare. I had extensive fuel problems, bad manifolds, electrical issues, etc. It always burned some oil too, which I attribute to the fact it was 10 years old with such low hours and poor care and lived in a salt water environment. It took me 3 years to get it to the point that most of the time,we could go somewhere without breaking down. It ran 5 years, and then I had a head rot through. Replaced that, and 2 weeks later the motor seized up, and was replaced with a low hour used motor. The other engine was replaced this year with a new one because I didn't trust it anymore. At that point, I'm guessing it still had under 1000 hours on it. Prior to the head rotting out, most of those were fairly trouble free simply because it got ran and maintained regularly.
 

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Re: how many hours is too many?

I bought my boat ('88 Malibu Skier) with 1000 hours. I was concerned. A wise old mariner told me to consider this comparison. He stated every 100 hours could be six thousand miles in a car. That supposed cruising at 60 miles per hour. Two things to note, The high RPMs used in boating are harder on the motor than highway travel in a car. On the other hand, a propeller through the water does not put as much torque on the engine as the road does to a car. That being said I bought the boat because the engine and bilge were clean enough to eat and drink from and as stated earlier, "a boat that gets used will perform better than one in storage". We have had 10 great years with it and put another 600 hours on it! Yours sounds like the deal you have been shopping for. Go get it and have fun the rest of the summer. Your family and friends will smile with you!
 

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I am no engineer BUT I would have thought the load/torque from the water is harder on an engine than the road would be in a car. I guess I think this because you can't coast - ALWAYS have to push. I am interested to hear some engineering types comment on this.
 

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Re: how many hours is too many?

For a reference my truck has 106,xxx miles on it which equates to just over 3000 hours. So 300 hours ain't squat.

Airplane engines go about 3000 hours between overhauls.
 

indy440

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Well I decided against the boat with 800 hours, I found a newer boat with less hours, closer to home, for the same money, at a marina. I went and looked at it yesterday and will be going back today for a test run, and then to pay for it and sign all the paperwork. We will probably pick it up tomorrow so we'll be ready for the weekend.
 

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Boat engines will easily last thousands of hours IF THEY ARE PROPERLY MAINTAINED! I don't think I've ever seen a "worn out" boat motor, they usually die from a catastrophic maintenance-related failure.

A boat motor lives in a much more corrosive environment than a car or airplane motor. To keep it alive requires some preventive maintenance.

Most die from overheating. If you don't like to spend the money to change impellors, water pumps, and hoses regularly BEFORE they fail, don't be surprised when your motor welds itself into a solid lump. When the boat stops running and there's steam coming out of the engine compartment, you waited too long.

Lots of northern boats (and some not so far north) die because of cracked blocks. If you leave it full of water and it freezes, you get to buy a new motor. Just as a note, there is no such thing as "freeze plugs". Those plugs in the water jacket on the block are CASTING PLUGS. They're used to get the sand from the casting mold out of the block. If one happens to pop out and save your block, you got lucky!

Lots more die from water in the cylinders. Put off a tune-up until the motor starts "dieseling" when you turn it off and there's a good chance it's going to try to run backwards and suck water into the cylinders. Put off changing the exhaust manifolds and risers because it's too expensive, and an internal slow leak can ruin a motor within a matter of hours.

I just pulled a 1986 5.7L apart that had decent maintenance - nothing special. It has 630 hours on it. It had 150 PSI compression in 7 cylinders, 110 in the other (new spec is 150). The bad cylinder had a cracked piston, looked like something had been dropped through the carb into it and had bounced around on top of the piston. The spark arrester was missing the hold down nut and nobody knew where it went. Imagine that. All cylinders looked like new, even the one with the bad piston. No wear ridges at all. No reason that engine won't run for thousands more hours with one new piston.

Took apart a 1981 2.5L with over 1200 hours on it about 6 months ago because it was locked up. #4 cylinder was ruined because of a leaking exhaust riser. Piston rings were rusted solid to the cylinder wall. Had to break the piston apart to get it out. The other 3 cylinders looked great. All 4 cylinders had a very slight wear ridge, about what you would see on a car at 50,000 - 60,000 miles. The guy tried honing #4 and putting it back together with a used piston. The front 3 were 130-140 PSI compression (new spec is 140), the bad one was 90. He's been using it like that on a private lake all summer, it actually runs good except that it bogs on take-off if you try to accelerate too fast.

What all the above rambling is trying to say is that if the motor has good compression in all cylinders and runs good (no knocking, etc), then it's probably in good shape. If he can't tell you if the manifold and riser were ever replaced, it's probably about time to change them.
 

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Re: how many hours is too many?

How can I tell if there is a water leak at the exhaust system. Does it start to get water in the oil?
 

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Re: how many hours is too many?

no, it just fails the engine. the only way to tell is to pull the exhaust and inspect it and have it pressure checked.
 

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Re: how many hours is too many?

Why are you replying to a 2 year old thread?
 
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