How to test shift cut out switch?

dcboone5244

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I just put my rebuilt carb back on, now I see fuel in the carb. But when I put the boat in gear it dies. If I unhook the arm on the carb and manually rev it up it works. Does that sound like the shift cut out switch and how do I test it? Also are the easy and affordable to change, would be doing it myself. Or does it sound like a completely different problem to anyone? By the way thanks everyone for the advise so far. I check the forum everyday, hoping to beable to pass on some advice on learned to someone that needs help.
 

dcboone5244

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Re: How to test shift cut out switch?

forgot to say what kind of boat engine. it's a 1984 120hp mercruiser i/o century is the kind of boat
 

xltier

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Re: How to test shift cut out switch?

try unhooking the wires going to the switch and see if that helps it or not.switch pivot maybe sticking.
 

hoot

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Re: How to test shift cut out switch?

one thing you can do is to trace the wires from/to the switch. on mine, one goes from the igniton coil terminal to the switch, and back to ground. the switch quickly grounds the coil when shifting into gear. you might remove the wire from the coil or ground,or the switch, whichever is easier, and test operation this way. crank boat and put into gear and see what happens. probably not good for the gears to do this all the time. sometimes the switch just needs adjusting. get a repair manual! and there are probably some web sites out there on this subject. do a search. good luck.
 

dcboone5244

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Re: How to test shift cut out switch?

I have a manual, it doesn't say anything about the switch
 

achris

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Re: How to test shift cut out switch?

Please. If you don't know don't offer advise!<br /><br />The shift cutout switch does NOT 'ground the coil when shifting into gear'. ONLY when coming out of gear.<br /><br />If you do chase down other sites, be careful! I have already seen one site with wrong info.<br /><br />Chris........
 

dcboone5244

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Re: How to test shift cut out switch?

You Don't have to worry about offering advise I don't know about. If I'm not 100 % sure about something, I for sure wouldn't try to steer someone the wrong way. And right now there isn't much I'm sure about, except that I'm taking my boat to a mechanic to change the cable and gaskets, so I know it's done right.
 

qystan

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Re: How to test shift cut out switch?

I had similar problems which was finally fixed after I analysed and understood how the damn contraption works. They shold have gotten rid of the undercut gears. Hope this helps.<br /><br />The shift cutout switch "can" work in both going into gear and out. Let me explain.<br /><br />If you study the intermediate shift plate and the linkage. The function it performs is for the upper shift cable to move the lower (both directions) and allow one to move independently of the other. When independent movements occur, the shift cutout swich will sense this and cause the ignition to be cutoff, ignition is restored when the cables synchronise.<br /><br />So how does this work? The gear design allows shifting into gear quite easily, hence engaging gears is usually not a problem and the 2 cable movements stay synchronised during the engagement cycle, the switch is never actuated. If you have a sticky lower cable, the upper cable movement will result in an out of sync situation if the lower cable does not move. The switch will be actuated and kills the engine.<br /><br />Shifting out is slightly different, due to the gear undercut, the gears do not disengage easily. This will always result in non movement of the lower cable and actuating the switch. When the engine 'dies' the torque on the gears which holds them together is removed, allowing the gears to disengage. In disengaging, the lower cable moves and synchronises with the upper cable, resets the switch, restores ignition.<br /><br />Bad cable adjustments which misaligns the upper and lower cable neutral position will cause engine dying during engaging shifts. The misalignment gives an upper cable 'overtravel' which the lower cable cannot synchronise due to its limited travel. Symptoms would be engine dying going into gear in one direction but the other is ok.<br /><br />Hope I've analysed this correctly.<br /><br />Good luck.
 

outboardguy

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Re: How to test shift cut out switch?

What Qystan says is right.Which means that the replacement of the sticky shift cable will solve your problem.And once the mechanic is done changing your cable and gaskets, the adjustment ought to be perfect.
 

achris

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Re: How to test shift cut out switch?

Hi Plumber,<br /><br />I wasn't refering to you. You're the one asking for help and I see others giving wrong info. The worst is on another website, run by a service company believe it or not! The shift cables don't just 'get sticky'. They usually have water in them and that water has to have come from somewhere. I my experience 90% of sticky cables get water in them from a leaking upper shift shaft seal (in the bottom of the bell housing). If that's not replaced, then you'll get the same thing happening again.<br /><br />Qystan,<br /><br />Your analysis and explanation should be forwarded as an FAQ. This is an area that even a lot of the 'experts' get wrong. IF the cutout switch is closing when going into gear, then there is a problem. If everything is working correctly it should be activated only when coming OUT of gear. As you state. <br /><br /><br />If I have offended anyone, I apologize.<br /><br />Chris...........
 

qystan

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Re: How to test shift cut out switch?

Achris60,<br /><br />Good idea, will do just that. It seems to be a favourite topic.
 

dcboone5244

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Re: How to test shift cut out switch?

No offense taken here. I do value your opinions and everyone else that has offered their knowlegeable insights. The mechanic should be done with my boat towards the end of this week. I told him to check everything else, since he will have it apart, if I need anything else replace now is the time to do it.
 
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