Hull issue..be worried??

Lvvtec

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Found this in my hull today while cleaning my boat?!?!?! Should I be concerned or just watch for expansion? I'm a little concerned although its not that deep.
 

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ondarvr

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Re: Hull issue..be worried??

At worst it's a cosmetic issue, it will not spread, sleep well.
 
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i agree. Its kinda hard to see where it is on the boat but it looks like its on the front of hull so my only other advice is to check the trailer to make sure there no guide rollers missing or sharp bits showing thats hitting the boat when you trailer it.
 

JimS123

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Looks like mechanical damage from a trailer or something was hit in the water. While the scratch may be cosmetic, the hole should definately be sealed up to prevent further damage.
 

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It's not a big deal now, but I would patch it (Marinetex, gelcoat repair kit) to forestall any water seeping into the underlying fiberglass, as well as aesthetics.
 

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There is no further damage to take place, water is not going to seep into the glass and do anything. Gel coat is not a great water barrier, if the boat is left in the water, water will migrate through it and into the laminate just the same. Plus what do you think happens to the inside of the hull when water is in the bilge? If that chip was left there for the rest of the boats life it would make no difference.

There is no reason to leave it like this, but it's a cosmetic issue.
 

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There is no further damage to take place, water is not going to seep into the glass and do anything. Gel coat is not a great water barrier, if the boat is left in the water, water will migrate through it and into the laminate just the same. Plus what do you think happens to the inside of the hull when water is in the bilge? If that chip was left there for the rest of the boats life it would make no difference.

There is no reason to leave like this, but it's a cosmetic issue.
Depending on the quality of the layup, if the chip has penetrated into the fiberglass mat (can't tell for sure from the picture), water could conceivably wick into the mat. Add freezing temps, and there is a potential problem. Not likely, but I wouldn't risk it. Plus, as noted, it doesn't look so nice.;)
 

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Re: Hull issue..be worried??

Depending on the quality of the layup, if the chip has penetrated into the fiberglass mat (can't tell for sure from the picture), water could conceivably wick into the mat. Add freezing temps, and there is a potential problem. Not likely, but I wouldn't risk it. Plus, as noted, it doesn't look so nice.;)

So the consensus is to repair it. Next question, is this something I can do (with my limited experience) or have done professionally?
 

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Get a white gelcoat repair kit and follow the instructions. It doesn't have to be perfect but I would definitely patch it where it's gone through to the fiberglass mat.
 

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good spot for white marinetex.

use a wetted plastic spreader once the cracks have been filled in. this will leave the best finish with least amount of sanding necessary. you don't want to have to sand marinetex once it sets, it will be rock hard.
 

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Depending on the quality of the layup, if the chip has penetrated into the fiberglass mat (can't tell for sure from the picture), water could conceivably wick into the mat. Add freezing temps, and there is a potential problem. Not likely, but I wouldn't risk it. Plus, as noted, it doesn't look so nice.;)

There seems to be a very big misconception here on exactly what gel coat is, and what it does.

Gel coat is considered a cosmetic coating on a fiberglass layup, it is not waterproof, water will migrate through it, it is made from the same type of base resin (or slightly better) that is used in the laminate, it will not stop water from entering the laminate. Yes it may take slightly longer just because of the added thickness of the gel coat, but it still gets to the laminate. Water wicking up the glass fibers happens on every fiberglass part exposed to water, the laminate is not a sponge though, it is a very small amount. There are barrier coats that go behind the gel coat to help prevent water from causing problems in it, but gel coat is generally a poor barrier.

If gel coat was a better water barrier hulls wouldn?t blister. Blisters are caused by water migrating through the gel coat and in to the laminate where it can find interstitial sights where it may start to break down certain ingredients of the resin. The blister is formed after the water has absorbed minerals and salts then can?t pass through the laminate as easily as it once did, so it begins to apply pressure and expands the void. Some feel that laminates without gel coat have less of a chance of blistering because water can more easily migrate through and escape. (Chapters, or whole books could be written on the many reasons for blisters and not cover all of them, so I won?t go further on the subject.)

On trailer boats you could get away with no gel coat on the entire hull and the laminate would survive just about the same as with it, I?m not counting UV in this equation, just incidental immersion in water for several hours at a time. UV protection is where gel coat offers the best defense from harm to the laminate.

There are many thousands of boats out there with chipped or worn off gel coat that go decades with no issues, in fact I haven?t ever seen a chip like this one evolve into anything more than what it is, a cosmetic blemish on the surface.

From this standpoint there is no reason to repair it other than for cosmetic appeal, which is not what the question was about.

If it was mine I would fix it and move on, but it would not be because more problems would arise from it not being repaired.

I tend to over answer some of these questions, its not to be rude or argumentative, it?s because I am stickler for the details and facts on this type of thing, and all too often misconceptions take on a life of their own and become fact in tribal knowledge.

Joe Reeves (well known member on this site, 30+ year OMC mechanic) was asked one time about inaccurate information on the subject of motors frequently given in the J/E forum. He said he needed to learn to ignore much of it so it wouldn?t drive him crazy trying to correct all the inaccurate, but well intentioned advice. I may need to do the same thing.
 

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If gelcoat wasn't waterproof all the boats would be sunk, and the ones that weren't would be covered with blisters. I don't buy that. I've been around and owned fiberglas boats since 1964 and I've never even seen a blister--not saying they don't happen, but it's not from using fiberglas boats in the water. Just my opinion from experience.

OP needs to check is trailer (guide bunks?) or he banged against a bolt sticking out of a pier or piling. Fix the chip with white marine tex as advised; ignore the scratch, don't do that again!
 

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Ondarvr, you give a rather compelling explanation. Thank you!
 

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This is the can of worms that can be opened up when too much information is supplied and the audience doesn't have enough background knowledge on the subject to understand what is being discussed. This isn?t an insult, I wouldn?t expect anyone outside the industry, and even many of those inside the industry to know details that they would never be exposed to in the normal course of life.

Fiberglass laminates absorb water, they all do, we do testing, and in some market segments you need to supply sample panels and testing is done, the panel needs to absorb less than X amount of water to pass.

I said in my post it's not a great deal of water, only a very small amount, we aren?t talking about a screen door here. Blistering is not caused by just the absorption of water, there needs to be other factors involved too, it can be the type of glass used, the type of resin, how the products were applied, etc, like I said, far too many to easily list. Some laminates that absorb a comparatively large amount of water don?t blister, others that only absorb a small amount may, although it does need to absorb water for blisters to form, absorbing water doesn?t mean they will form.

Epoxy isn?t waterproof either, nothing is, water will permeate just about substance, just because something doesn?t appear to be a sponge or sink doesn?t mean it didn?t absorb water. Many things we consider as water proof aren?t, but for all practical purposes they can be listed as waterproof, plastics, ABS, PVC, Nylon (fishing line), all absorb water, yet we consider them waterproof.

Gel coat and resin are no different, water will permeate them, it may not be noticeable to the naked eye, but it is there.
 

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Re: Hull issue..be worried??

Another vote for white marinetex. Don't put too much on, it's tough to sand when it cures.
 

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OP, another cause of damage may be another trailer? The winch handle from a boat parked next to yours can do that eitehr from bad parking (in/out) or if the trailers get blown around.

Ondavr, I guess we are both right, but in different contexts. In an industrial lab, gel coat may absorb water; in the real world it doesn't--not enough to say "gel coat isn't waterproof." While those in the industry, or who have that kind of interest, may consider the infitessimal migration of water into fiberglas, the recreational boater need not be concerned. We wouldn't want the casual reader to think he can't leave his boat in the water.

And maybe I'm all wet, but I view a chip through the gel coat exposing the mat as a potential source for real world water intrusion.

Having been around marine and outdoor products all my life, I, too, know that "waterproof" often isn't and that it is a relative term (as is "water resistant" and "water tight." And "stainless" and "rust proof."
 

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I have always thought of a scratch on your boat is like having a scratch on your arm. You will get them, and yes, you/your boat will most likely survive.

I wonder what one's arm would look like if it were immersed in water for extended periods of time :noidea:
 

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On a trailer boat there typically isn't enough contact with water to have an effect, but trailer boats with carpeted bunks can have problems.

The carpet holds water against the gel coat, and it can be the worst type of exposure, close to 100% humidity and big fluctuations in temperature. Water vapor can pass through a substance much easier than when its in a liquid state (think Gore-Tex), so water penetrates the laminate and blisters may form.

The chip doesn't really expose the laminate to anything that it isn't already exposed to, water is not going to do any more harm here than anywhere else where it is absorbed.

This is where I should just say fix it and be done, it would make my life much simpler, it can be too difficult to explain in great detail all the nuances of fiberglass that may not be obvious at first glance.
 
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