Hydraulic valves?

rbh

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A holding valve is a separate entity from the control valve, right???


So if the machines rams are leaking down overnight and there is no holding valve, you must replace the O-rings on the control valve?
 

keith2k455

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Re: Hydraulic valves?

Either that or the rams themselves are leaking. Make sure you brace the load appropriately.
 

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Re: Hydraulic valves?

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Yes, if the spool is returning to center/off. Best just to replace the head and magnetics, valve body should be good.
 

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Re: Hydraulic valves?

Or the seals are bad in the rams, not all machines have saftey valves in them. You need to look at the prints and follow the flow. Directional valve could be only partial shifting, or has a bad solenoid in it.
 

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Re: Hydraulic valves?

YUP, either or issue I bet for the most part the rams where rebuilt so that leave the valve body o-rings I bet.
No solinoid, just levers
 

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Re: Hydraulic valves?

Counter Balance Valve . Double Check Saftey at Cylinder , Cylinder leaking at Piston .
 

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Re: Hydraulic valves?

I know there are no O rings in the valves I deal with spool is tight clearance. O rings would get eatten in a 300 ton press
 

Howard Sterndrive

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Re: Hydraulic valves?

If cylinders are drifting in (retracting), there is an easy way to see whether the issue is in the cylinder or the DCV.
You said ramS plural, so I'll describe it for 2 parallel cylinders (e.g. TLB Loader Boom)

1. raise the implement and support it mechanically (another machine, shop crane etc)
2. de-energize system (cycle controls)
3. disconnect hoses from the rod end of each cylinder. Plug the hoses or lines, but leave the fittings on the cylinders open to atmosphere
4. unsupport the load (i.e. lower the crane down until the chains are slack)

As the cylinders drift in, watch the two open ports on the cylinders. If oil is coming out of the left port, the problem is inside the left cylinder. If oil is coming out of the right port, the problem is in the right cylinder.

If the boom is drifting down, but oil is coming out NEITHER port, then the problem is in the DCV.

Components inside a cylinder that can cause drift: piston seals, score in barrel, loose piston retention to rod, static seal between piston and rod on some cylinders.
Components inside a DCV that can cause drift:
O ring on Port relief valve
port relief valve
lockcheck(aka pilot-to -open check)
Scored spool in DCV
Spool linkage bent, seized or otherwise causing spool to not be centered in neutral (stir sticks, coffee cups etc)


Things that CANNOT cause drift:
Main relief! (never cause of cylinder drift)
Load check valve in an open center valve.. nope - causes a momentary drop but not drift
Pump
 

Howard Sterndrive

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Re: Hydraulic valves?

another way you can verify bad piston seals inside a cylinder when two are in parallel.

1. Work the machine hard (dig) until oil reaches operating temp
2. Put your hand on each cylinder

If one is quite a bit hotter, oil is bypassing the piston.


PS - leaking down over night may very well be within specification. Don't troubleshoot drift if it isn't beyond allowable drift specs in the manual.
Every cylinder drifts.
 

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Re: Hydraulic valves?

Thanks, there are no holding valves in the system as far as I can tell, just the hydraulic control spools.
in/out-up/down

I guess with most spools there is wear after awhile, and the only thing that would keep the different cylinders from leaking down would be a holding valve that requires X amount of preasure to open or close.

I need to check the rams as well for bypass, and I've no idea where to get the spects for drift.
 

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Re: Hydraulic valves?

OK. Looks like a Gresen Valve (or an offshore copy of one) and there are port reliefs (probably combination port relief and anti-cavs) in some of the work ports - definitely an o-ring on the body of those can cause drift if it's not just a linkage/spool issue. Even in the ports that don't employ a port relief, there is still a "special plug" that has the same dimensions as a port relief and has the same oring and backup ring on each plug separating the work port from the tank passage in the valve.
 

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Re: Hydraulic valves?

Yup, that sure looks like the unit, thank you for the link.
 

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Re: Hydraulic valves?

just needed top bump this so I could go over the info without hunting for it again.
 
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