Hydrofoil, trim tab, or prop ?

rgibber34

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I purchased a 1990 Rinker 206 Captiva towards the end of last season. It has a Mercruiser 5.7 350 engine. I am disappointed with its ability to get on plane. Currently I have a 3-blade 13.75x21 ss prop which gets me right on target with RPM range. I am considering going to a 4 or 5 blade prop, installing a hydrofoil, or both if nescessary. Trim tabs are an option also, but not preferred. What do you think would be my best option? Thanks!
 

richg99

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Re: Hydrofoil, trim tab, or prop ?

I've installed a couple of hydrofoils and generally have been pleased with them. I do think, however,thatt one loses top end speed due to the drag created. If I were doing it all over again, I'd probabaly start with the "smart tabs" which are reasonable in price and may solve the problem in a better way. I haven't tried them, but have had them recommeded by a few knowledgeable people with nothing to sell me. RichG
 

WillyBWright

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Re: Hydrofoil, trim tab, or prop ?

Mercury's High-Five props do well with hole shot on underpowered boats. I find it hard to believe a 5.7 would have a hard time pushing that boat. Exactly what are your full throttle RPMs?
 

Solittle

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Re: Hydrofoil, trim tab, or prop ?

rgibber34 - Please do not post the same question/problem twice. We get confused enough as it is.
 

imported_Mike_M2

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Re: Hydrofoil, trim tab, or prop ?

Really, is a 206 a 20 ft. boat? The 5.7 should be a powerhouse in it!
 

bluewater19

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Re: Hydrofoil, trim tab, or prop ?

High five 21 pitch only way to go.Although trim tabs would work also.Make the boat more stable and stay on plane at lower speeds.If it were mine I would change props first.
 

walleyehed

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Re: Hydrofoil, trim tab, or prop ?

600 bucks for a prop, or 35 bucks for a foil........Hmmmmm..<br />I think I'd try the foil first.<br />Seriously, I think you may have an engine issue, and you may want to have your rig looked over by a competent mechanic...<br />My buddy has a 20ft Wellcraft cuddy with a 5.0L, and swings a 21" 3-blade 5500RPM if ya let it.<br />What's your max RPM now???????<br />What is your altitude above sea-level where you operate????-A major factor that few consider.
 

crazy charlie

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Re: Hydrofoil, trim tab, or prop ?

Your problem is more weight distribution than anything else.A 20 ft boat with a v8 and outdrive WOW,the boat must sit with the stern down low.Why dont you take your most plump friend and stick him in the bow and see if it planes any easier.IT WILL!! Whatever you decide to do ,you will need trim tabs,NO DOUBT.If all you want to do is race,then you are set.A prop that is slow to plane usually will fire you like a rocket once it does plane.Charlie
 

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rgibber34;<br /><br />I love these friendly debate about Props - Hydrofoils - and trim tabs!<br /><br />Anyone who has read my comments before will know exactly what I am going to say, but I just can not resist. <br /><br />The basics are easy - <br />Props are designed to "propel".<br />Hydrofoils are designed to "Lift"<br />Trim Tabs are designed to "lift and control attitude".<br /><br />Some props are designed to propel and create some lift. Extra blades have a tendency to improve low end performance, but at the sacrifice of top end performance. Spinning more blades creates more resistance and requires more HP.<br /><br />Hydrofoils provide extra "lift", and the faster they boat goes the more lift they provide. The problem here is that once the boat is on plane the "increasing lift" is not required. The bow is pushed down as the boat rotates on it's axis when the stern is lifted. The common solution is the trim the motor out which uses the prop to raise the bow (the prop is trying to offset the lift of the hydrofoil). This runs the prop through the water at an angle which reduces the efficiency. The common result is that the boat runs slower at the top end. The popular school of thought is that this is because of the "drag" created by the foil. Unless the boat is an 80 MPH boat, it is not "drag" it is the two devices working against each other (hydrofoil and prop). The other issue is port to starboard balance with "V" bottom boats. The Hydrofoils lift from the center of the boat and create a teeter totter effect. <br /><br />All adjustable trim tabs provide the boat with a section of the hull that can be manipulated to optimize the hull for the conditions that occur when they occur. Smart Tabs do this automatically and for boats 22' and under simply screw on to the back without the need for electrical or hydraulic hook ups.<br /><br />The name of the game is make the hull as efficient as it can be (ie: with trim tabs), then choose the correct Prop for propulsion.
 

POINTER94

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Re: Hydrofoil, trim tab, or prop ?

I am in Crazy Charlies camp. Spend the bucks and enjoy. I have found trim tabs are on of the best investmens you can put on a boat.
 

rgibber34

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Re: Hydrofoil, trim tab, or prop ?

Thanks for the replies....Lots of good info. I think I'll look into the tabs...The boat does sit low in the stern and needs more lift comming out of the hole. It does plane a lot better with a couple of passengers sitting in the bow. Thanks again....Russ
 

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Re: Hydrofoil, trim tab, or prop ?

Rgibber<br />I was going to stay out of this but I can't. I installed Bennett trim tabs on my boat back in 1981 and it is by far the best thing I have done to my boat. I see lots of people suggest smart tabs or automatic tabs but if I was going to add tabs I would get fully adjustable tabs unless only goint to keep the boat a year or two. They give you so much more control of your boat. <br /><br />When you have a cross wind and the boat leans into the wind you can flatten your ride and stop lots of the spray that gets blown in. <br /><br />Also if you are running with the sea in big swells last thing you want is trim tabs pushing the bow down, very danergous.<br /><br />As far as hole shot you need to make sure you motor is running right and you WOT RPMS is in the reccomended range. For best hole shot you want to be near the top of your WOT RPM range. <br /><br />To get out of the hole as fast as possible trim your motor all the way in and put the power to it as it comes up on top trim out until the bow is light on the water or slight out of the water.<br /><br />Have fun.
 

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Boatist;<br /><br />Don't stay out of these questions if you feel you have something to add. Everything you said about helm controlled trim tabs is correct except for one misconception. Smart Tabs will not drive the bow down in a following sea. The pressure at running speeds is reduced (when on plane) and the ability to bring the bow up can be controlled with the tilt trim or simply backing off the throttle a bit. In a following sea it is never good to surf down the wave. <br /><br />If the boat is 22 ft or more and used predominantly in the ocean, I would suggest helm controlled tabs as well. If it is smaller or used on the lakes Smart Tabs will provide other benefits that can not be duplicated with anything else.
 

rgibber34

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Re: Hydrofoil, trim tab, or prop ?

Boatist, I agree...Please don't stay out of this. Any info from your exprience is appreciated! NautiJohn, I am looking into the Smart Tabs because of cost and ease of installation. I think they will achieve what I want to accomplish. I live in Iowa and run on lakes. My current set-up will get about 4500 RPM at WOT. The recommended range is 4200-4600.<br /> My engine has a HP of 250. I see the Smart Tabs have a rating of up to 240. Will these do the job on my boat?? I see they make Mobster tabs also for bass boats. They are rated for 250 HP and available for angled transoms. Would these be better?? Do I really need the angled ones?? Anyone with experience with these please let me know. Thanks
 

Ralph 123

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Re: Hydrofoil, trim tab, or prop ?

I have Bennetts but hardly use them anymore but my situation is unique in that I have a very narrow beam (7-8 ft) with twins on a 28' boat. So hydrofoils work perfect for me. <br /><br />One of the things I hate about adjustable tabs is not knowing the position of them. Are they all the way up, down, mixed or somewhere in between? <br /><br />That is what I like about smart tabs (although my boat is too big for them) they adjust by themselves and you don't have to think about them.<br /><br />If I were going to install Bennetts or any other adjustable tabs, I'd be sure to spend the extra money for the position indicator gauge.
 

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rgibber34<br />The ST1290-80 (Smart Tabs) will work very well. Getting on plane will be a breeze. Many people say that it is like the boat is always on plane.<br /><br />When accelerating to plane, try a slow acceleration similar to driving your car. The boat should walk up to plane. <br /><br />Make sure that you get an accurate top speed reading without the tabs, then make a run with the tabs. The boat should run 2 to 4 MPH faster with the tabs. If not reduce the pressure according to the instructions. The low speed will not be affected.<br /><br />Do not change more than one thing at a time, and never run any other planing device in conjunction with Smart Tabs.
 

walleyehed

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Re: Hydrofoil, trim tab, or prop ?

A 5.7 on that boat should blow you out of the hole if you have the prop that also keeps you in the RPM range it should be......I still think you may have an engine issue, but put the band-aid on if you must.<br />Your boat is not unlike the race boats that weigh 600-700lbs., with 200-300hp....they set VERY low in the stearn...what I'm getting at is you HAVE the power if the engine is running right, and shouldn't NEED tabs, or a foil.
 
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