Hyundais new Sante Fe

[Kiwi Phil]

My wife has been pestering me for a while now for a new vehicle, and yesterday came up with the idea of a Hyundai Sante Fe.<br />The article she has says a generation II model is being released shortly. <br />It is larger (4.8M), has a 7 seater option, protruding rear hips (rear bumper), twin exhausts. <br />It is to compete with Ford Territory, Toyota Kluger etc.<br />Motor options are petrol 2.7L or 3.3L BUT the option they wife is interested in is the 2.2L 4cyl Turbo Diesel.<br /><br />This vehicle has been release in NZ (Just), so do you have it in the USA or Europe yet.<br /><br />The questions I have are re the diesel motor, as in performance/economy/reliability/noise, and anything else I have missed.<br /><br />Anyone able to contribute?<br /><br />It dosn't worry me, but as the wife gets a few more miles on her frame, she finds it more difficult to get up and out of cars as opposed to stepping down and out of her friends all-wheel drives.<br />Cheers<br />Phillip

 

[JB]

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Sounds interesting Phil.<br /><br />Our enviroNazis won't allow most Diesels yet. VW and Mercedes Benz have token offerings and our "big three" offer common rail DFI diesel pickups that are getting more popular. Low sulphur fuel becomes mandatory this year, so more might be offered.<br /><br />The common rail DFI turboDiesel engines are a whole different generation of technology ahead of traditional Diesels. They don't smoke or smell and they are quieter as well as more efficient than the old Diesels. A MB E350 gets about 23 mpg on Premium average, while the E320D is good for 30-35mpg.<br /><br />In Europe I understand that modern Diesels outsell gasoline engine vehicles. The difference between 35-70mpg on Diesel fuel and 20-40 mpg on regular gasoline is pretty large when gasoline is $6.00 a gallon.<br /><br />Part of the problem in the USA is that when I drove Diesel MBs in the 60s and 70s the fuel was very lightly taxed and sold for 25-50% less than gasoline. Now the taxes on Diesel fuel are roughly twice that on gasoline, making it more expensive than premium gas.<br /><br />I am waiting for 2 things:<br /><br />1. More equitable taxes between gas and Diesel oil, and. . .<br /><br />2. A good, turboDiesel, AWD ute that can tow my utility trailer with Big Orange on it (5,000lb)but still get better than 30mpg on trips.<br /><br />Then I might buy it.<br /><br />You gotta drive the Hyundai to see if they put a strong enough engine in it. The Jeep Liberty is offered here with an undersized MB turboDiesel and it is a SLUG that gets 16mpg. The V6 gas version does better than that.<br /><br />BTW. I am moving this to Non-boating tech.

 

[Triton II]

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Hi KP. Specs of 2.7P and 2.2D below.<br /><br />Type 2.7 V6 DOHC 2.2 CRDi <br />Displacement (cc) 2,656 2,188 <br />Bore x Stroke mm) 86.7 x 75.0 87.0 x 92.0 <br />Compression Ratio 10.4 17.3 <br />Max. Power(kW) 138kW(188ps) 110kW(150ps) Max.Torque(Nm) 284Nm 335Nm<br /><br />The interesting figure for towing purposes is the torque, the Diesel has it over the petrol as it develops its max power at 4000rpm rather than the petrol's 6000rpm.

 

[Bob_VT]

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Sounds like a great motor (I am a diesel fan). Does anyone know who made the motor? If it is Isuzu I would jump on it. Isuzu makes great diesel engines. Just my opinion.

 

[Kiwi Phil]

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Thanks for the imput everyone.<br />To date I have been searching for reviews etc....this being a new vehicle and motor.<br />The English have the vehicle on their market already...just out, and they only thing I can't pin down, is the economy of this diesel.<br />One review mentioned 29mpg over-all, but that's it...very vague<br />I have also read up on Diesels.<br />What is the difference between one of these new European-highly-economical small diesels and the traditional type. What I mean is...how do I tell the difference?<br />I was hoping some of our English friends would pass comment on this vehicle as they must be aware of it, as in someone they know or know of must have one.<br />Cheers<br />Phillip

 

[JB]

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Traditional Diesels used a mechanical injector pump with seperate plungers for each cylinder. The throttle controls both timing and quantity of injected fuel and manifold vacuum sort of controls the amount of air drawn into the cylinders. As efficient as they were there was often a less than ideal mixture resulting in smoke and smell.<br /><br />Modern diesels use a common rail for fuel and individual electronic direct high pressure injectors (no prechamber) that are timed and amount controlled by computer. Turbochargers supply anywhere from 150% to 200% as much air. The computer optimizes timing and amount of fuel injected for perfect burning (no smoke or smell and more power per amount of fuel). Many use overhead cams and multiple valves, too. They differ from traditional Diesels as much as modern multivalve EFI gasoline engines differ from the Model A.

 

[Kiwi Phil]

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Thanks for that JB. Have spent some time reading up on diesels and with the simple explanation you have given, it makes a lot more sence to me now.<br />Got dragged along to see the petrol version (diesel not out here yet) of the new Santa Fe today. For a middle sized soft-wheel-drive vehicle...yes...I can see the wifes point....good size; good height for her; and well laid out. <br />Guess we now wait for the diesel version to hit the market, and for some more bucks to miraclessly appear in the bank account.<br />Cheers<br />Phillip

 

[Dunaruna]

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Phil, all diesel models that hit our market must comply with the new low sulphur requirements - that is a good thing.<br /><br />I can't comment on the hyundai's diesel, haven't had the opportunity to disect one yet, but as a general rule they have a reasonable reputation and a very good warranty.

 

[Dunaruna]

Re: Hyundais new Sante Fe

Phil, all diesel models that hit our market must comply with the new low sulphur requirements - that is a good thing.<br /><br />I can't comment on the hyundai's diesel, haven't had the opportunity to disect one yet, but as a general rule they have a reasonable reputation and a very good warranty. Just keep in mind, the santa fe is not designed for offroad use, it is a toy in the 4x4 world.

 

[henrye718]

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I would hate to dog a whole company but the hyudai I have from brand new is not the greatest car. Its at 40k miles and feels like a car with 170k, suspension is all raggy feeling and from about 10k miles it has started making all kinds of funny noises and shifts out of gear at crusing speeds sometimes into neutral for a spilt second quite often. A lot of the plastic parts in the interior have just broken for no reason it seems like the can't take the bumps and that is what broke them, reminds me of plastic made in chine that just cracks from age. There is also outside accent parts completely rusted @ 3 years old . After one thing after another going wrong on this car I feel their engineering knowledge is lacking, like they have a lot to learn to catch up the other car companies. I am wondering what this car will feel like after 100k miles or will it not make it that far.