I got the shaft

jagans

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I guess I should have known better. I saw a 20hp Model 200 Outboard on Ebay that was relatively close to where I live. It was listed by a marine dealer as having good compression, and turned over easily but had no spark. OK, big deal, no spark. Apparently the dealership had taken this motor, a 1972 model in on trade. The guy that sold me the motor said that it had been sitting in the guys basement for thirty years. I picked it up for $300 bucks. I was pretty amazed at how good the motor looked under the bonnet, except for the wiring, which basically crumbled when you touched it. I figured big deal, whats there to replace the wiring. So I took her home and replaced all the wiring, and the points (CDI Type II Ignition) and lo and behold I have Spark. Not Great Spark, but Spark.

Then I figure, now to pull the lower unit and change out the impeller, start her up and gloat. Yeah right. Aparently the owner of this motor never heard of, or considered changing the impeller, and so for the first ten years of its existence the lower unit was never pulled. Mercury, in their infinite wisdom, or their bean counters infinite wisdom, made their driveshafts out of regular ole carbon steel. I have read every happy ending story on the web hearing how people have been sucessful at extracting their driveshafts from their powerheads after a little sweat and tears.

I tried everything, but to this day, I have never been able to get the damn driveshaft spline to pull out of the crankshaft. After about two weeks of trying with everything under the sun, I finally ended up cutting the driveshaft by cutting a hole with a hole saw through one of the lower motor mount wells after getting the rubber mounting pucks out of the holes under the medalions. These are held in with steel lock rings. Another misuse of materials subject to a corrosive environment. (Thanks again Mercury) I had to drill several holes through the shaft to cut it.

Once I did that, I was able to remove the lower unit and take the water pump apart. Holy crap. The driveshaft was so corroded that I had to put it on the lathe to clean it up, then I sleeved the water pump area with a 6 inch brass nipple that I turned to size with my trusty old 1942 South Bend Lathe. I then turned a coupling out of brass, and drilled and threaded the coupling to take several set screws to bear on a flat spot I milled in what was left of the shaft. This worked for a couple of outings, then I heard the motor spin up like the prop had come out of the water. I was always worried about the adequacy of the method I used, and for good reason it turns out.

Well yesterday I found a new driveshaft on Ebay for a decnt price, and so I decided to have another go at that shaft. SInce I have the coupling brazed to the upper part of the shaft, I figured I would insert a piece of 1/2 inch ACME threaded rod into the lower end of the coupling to make a puller. I figured this time I was going to get that sucker out. I tried three set screws into the threads, no good. Then I drilled right through the threaded rod and the coupling and installed a tension pin. Cranked down on the puller. POW, the threaded rod broke. Yes, I inverted the PH and squirted penetrating oil in the DS spline end. I have used PB Blaster, Liquid wrench, I have used heat, Today I used ATF and Acetone, touted as being better than anything commercially available. I will probably try Kroil next.

I have to admit, this is one really tough nut to crack, and I have cracked my share, being 67 and a decent mechanic that has been at it since about 12 years old.

I guess the moral to this story is: I dont care if your tattle-tale is tattling away, you have GOT to pull that lower unit on a regular basis and smear it with anti-seize on reassembly if you do not want to end up with the mess I have. I am sure that the newer drive shafts must now be stainless steel, but I would never buy another used outboard without pulling the lower unit first. Especially a Mercury. The author of that little book about collecting old outboards was right.

Elmer Carl Kiekhaefer was a Lunatic. He sure wasent an engineer, judging by all the non standard sizes and idiotic methods he used to assemble these motors. Now I know why Dad preferred Evinrudes and Johnsons
 

1nebel0

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Re: I got the shaft

What a well written post you have done....the horror stories are many and I have lived through them always getting off the lower with wedges, screwdrivers and anything else in sight...I admire your tenacity on trying to solve the problem.....
 

jbjennings

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Re: I got the shaft

There's a 20hp with a good powerhead and junk lower unit in every neighborhood, seems like. They sure were great runners when new, however!
It happens,
JBJ
 

jagans

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Re: I got the shaft

What a well written post you have done....the horror stories are many and I have lived through them always getting off the lower with wedges, screwdrivers and anything else in sight...I admire your tenacity on trying to solve the problem.....

Have you ever had one (a driveshaft) that you never got out? I reinstalled the coupling and the lower unit with a 1/4 inch tension pin through the brass coupling I made up so I could use the motor till the new shaft arrives, but I am really skeptical of ever getting the upper portion of the shaft out. It is really galled that bad. Admittedly, I used a tension pin through the ACME all thread that was too large in diamenter (1/4 inch) but when the rod broke due to tensile load, I had a lot of tension applied to that rod. The rod was about 4 feet long so I put a big socket on the rod and a nut on the end so I applied significant tension on the rod, then slid the big socket like a slide hammer. No good. I do not give up easy, and I have only been upstaged by a machine once before in my life. It has gotten personal. I am actually worried about what the female spline in the end of the crank is going to look like. Maybe I should stick with my coupling?
 
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matt167

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Re: I got the shaft

Splines should have been greased

Recently I pulled the lower unit of my 1964 650. Just about fell out of place. I was expecting the worst. Lower unit was last serviced 15 years or so ago, and the last it ran was 12 years ago.. But the spline grease let it just fall apart
 

jbjennings

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Re: I got the shaft

Just my opinion:
THose 20hp powerheads are a dime a dozen. Just place a want ad on aomci.org for a 20hp powerhead and I'll bet you can get a good used powerhead for little of nothing. It's a good lower unit that's hard to find. That shaft has rusted in there solid, and you'll not get it out without destroying your crankshaft almost guaranteed. Trust me, there's a LOT of those powerheads out there that are in great condition.
GOod luck,
JBJ
 
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